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Polskie plany rozbudowy floty - po angielsku

Postprzez SmokEustachy » 2004-03-08, 16:30

Noo to moze ja nieoficjalnie zainauguruje angielski box, cos takiego wysmazylem wczoraj:

I. Poland had a lot of problems with English view of Middle-Europe political system.

1. Lloyd George was stupid and he didn't distinguish Poland's Galicia and Spain's.
2. Germany problem:
a: England thought that Germany would be counterweight against France economic, political, military domination in Europe, so counteracted G excessive weakness --> "attack" Polish border, plebiscite in Silesia etc.,
b: German Navy was kicked from oceans and rivalry with RN, but would had /in England opinion/ 1 place in Baltic sea /10 000 t. battleships weren't dangerous for RN, but strong against Baltic Country's Navy's/ ,
c: Neutralization Gdansk,
d: Old German ships to Poland --> It was very irritating.
3. RN Admiralty idea - neutralization Baltic,
4. No credits for Polish Navy
5. So we hadn't had any port and had coast only 150 km,
6. And only 6 small torpedo boat without guns and torpedoes for Poland, they stationed in "Free City Gdansk"

Compare USA politics after WWII. A lot of ships transferred for a lot of country's. LC for South Americans for example.

II. Polish Navy plans.

1. Poland Delegation Wersal's intervention:
1-2 light cruiser /s/
2 destroyers

2. VII 1919 y. official PMW plan:


1. light cruiser - 3000 t
4 destroyers - 800 t
2 submarines - 500, 200 t
6 mine ships - 100 t

with cooperation /credits/ with Admiralty. But RN refused because neutralization Baltic plan.

3. 1920 y. official PMW plan.

Until 1929:
2 battleships
6 cruisers
28 destroyers
45 submarines
28 mine ships
54 torpedo cutter /?/

On Rivers:

4 big monitors
20 small monitors
25 gunned motor boats

Planes:
64 hydroplanes

This plan was completely unreal, because economic crisis.

3. IX 1920 official PMW plan /next/:

Until 1923:
1 light cruiser - 5000 t,
4 destroyers: 1500-2000 t,
2 submarines - 560 t

With RN cooperation - consent in V 1920.
But Foreign Office objection in IX 1920.

4. 1924 - Small Program - official:

Until 1936:
2 cruisers,
6 destroyers,
12 torpedo boats,
12 submarines

reduced in 1925:

9 submarines built in France - 600-900 t.

It was first plan partial realized - 3 submarines "Wilk" class was built and 2 destroyers "Wicher" class too.
"D'Entrecasteaux" was purchased.

5. 1931 - Disarmament Negotiation /Geneva/ - Poland declare fleet 150 000 t.
/in reaction for British stopping small fleets plan/

Since this declaration in Poland risen a lot of impossible fleet plans.

6. Kadm. Swirski /PMW commander/ plan:

a: 208 000 t fleet /!!!!!/
4 battleships /25 000 t/
4 light cruisers
12 destroyers
36 submarines
=137 400 t

Convoy escort feet:
4 light cruisers
22 destroyers
=71 000 t

7. "Near official" J. Ginsbert plan:

3 battleships
carrier
1 cruiser
4 "krzyzowiec" - something between destroyer and l. cruiser
13 destroyers
18 submarines

8. Ginsbert modernized plan:

3 battleships
1 cruiser /with hydro-planes/ - 6000 t, 8x 152, 8x 102, 12 hydro-planes, 35 knots,
12 destroyers
21 submarines
2. mine layers

9. KMW official plan - 1936:

until 1942:
6 destroyers
8 submarines
mine layer

10. A. Potyrala semi-official plan - 1936:

2 battleships: 25 000 t,
2 heavy cruisers - 10 000 t, 9x 203, 9x 120, 8 TT 533, 120 000 KM, 30+ knots, belt 200 mm,
9 destroyers,
9 torpedo boats,
18 submarines,

11. ORP "Kuna" - We planned purchase submarine built in Spain,
Ostatnio edytowano 2004-03-08, 17:26 przez SmokEustachy, łącznie edytowano 1 raz
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Postprzez Gość » 2004-03-08, 16:41

popraw tego cadm na kadm, bo troche gryzie, pozdro karol ;)
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Postprzez SmokEustachy » 2004-03-08, 17:27

Anonymous napisał(a):popraw tego cadm na kadm, bo troche gryzie, pozdro karol ;)


Tu PO ANGIELSKU powinienes odpisac...
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Postprzez fdt » 2004-03-08, 22:19

SmokEustachy napisał(a): 1. Lloyd George was stupid and he didn't distinguish Poland's Galicia and Spain's.


SmokEustachy napisał(a):Tu PO ANGIELSKU powinienes odpisac...


That's quite daring statement, dear Dragon. I bet the Britons would argue. That's simply a politican's virtue only to know the things he needs to know to survive (as a politician).

Remember this quotation?

"Behold, my son, with how little wisdom the world is governed"

"D'Entrecasteaux" ?? Pls...
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Postprzez Marek T » 2004-03-08, 22:47

fdt napisał(a):... dear Dragon ...


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Postprzez fdt » 2004-03-08, 23:36

Marek T napisał(a):
fdt napisał(a):... dear Dragon ...


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How the hell was I supposed to call him in english? Pacifier? He gets offended as I call him "smoczku".
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Postprzez karol » 2004-03-09, 08:11

I am silent prophet, mister Eustachy :lol:
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Postprzez karol » 2004-03-09, 08:19

a i jeszcze, Świrski nie był commander PMW tylko C. in C. Polish Navy (czyli szef szefów) odpowiednik Pierwszego Lorda Admiralicji (albo Oberbefehlschaber Polnische Kriegsmarine, zawsze mi sie te słówko podobało)
czepiam się, nie...i do tego niepobarbarzyńsku, ale nieuczony jestem Eustachy i nie znam języków współczesnych dzikusów z zachodu... :lol:
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Postprzez SmokEustachy » 2004-03-09, 17:22

Marek T napisał(a):
fdt napisał(a):... dear Dragon ...


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