Polskie plany rozbudowy floty - po angielsku
: 2004-03-08, 15:30
Noo to moze ja nieoficjalnie zainauguruje angielski box, cos takiego wysmazylem wczoraj:
I. Poland had a lot of problems with English view of Middle-Europe political system.
1. Lloyd George was stupid and he didn't distinguish Poland's Galicia and Spain's.
2. Germany problem:
a: England thought that Germany would be counterweight against France economic, political, military domination in Europe, so counteracted G excessive weakness --> "attack" Polish border, plebiscite in Silesia etc.,
b: German Navy was kicked from oceans and rivalry with RN, but would had /in England opinion/ 1 place in Baltic sea /10 000 t. battleships weren't dangerous for RN, but strong against Baltic Country's Navy's/ ,
c: Neutralization Gdansk,
d: Old German ships to Poland --> It was very irritating.
3. RN Admiralty idea - neutralization Baltic,
4. No credits for Polish Navy
5. So we hadn't had any port and had coast only 150 km,
6. And only 6 small torpedo boat without guns and torpedoes for Poland, they stationed in "Free City Gdansk"
Compare USA politics after WWII. A lot of ships transferred for a lot of country's. LC for South Americans for example.
II. Polish Navy plans.
1. Poland Delegation Wersal's intervention:
1-2 light cruiser /s/
2 destroyers
2. VII 1919 y. official PMW plan:
1. light cruiser - 3000 t
4 destroyers - 800 t
2 submarines - 500, 200 t
6 mine ships - 100 t
with cooperation /credits/ with Admiralty. But RN refused because neutralization Baltic plan.
3. 1920 y. official PMW plan.
Until 1929:
2 battleships
6 cruisers
28 destroyers
45 submarines
28 mine ships
54 torpedo cutter /?/
On Rivers:
4 big monitors
20 small monitors
25 gunned motor boats
Planes:
64 hydroplanes
This plan was completely unreal, because economic crisis.
3. IX 1920 official PMW plan /next/:
Until 1923:
1 light cruiser - 5000 t,
4 destroyers: 1500-2000 t,
2 submarines - 560 t
With RN cooperation - consent in V 1920.
But Foreign Office objection in IX 1920.
4. 1924 - Small Program - official:
Until 1936:
2 cruisers,
6 destroyers,
12 torpedo boats,
12 submarines
reduced in 1925:
9 submarines built in France - 600-900 t.
It was first plan partial realized - 3 submarines "Wilk" class was built and 2 destroyers "Wicher" class too.
"D'Entrecasteaux" was purchased.
5. 1931 - Disarmament Negotiation /Geneva/ - Poland declare fleet 150 000 t.
/in reaction for British stopping small fleets plan/
Since this declaration in Poland risen a lot of impossible fleet plans.
6. Kadm. Swirski /PMW commander/ plan:
a: 208 000 t fleet /!!!!!/
4 battleships /25 000 t/
4 light cruisers
12 destroyers
36 submarines
=137 400 t
Convoy escort feet:
4 light cruisers
22 destroyers
=71 000 t
7. "Near official" J. Ginsbert plan:
3 battleships
carrier
1 cruiser
4 "krzyzowiec" - something between destroyer and l. cruiser
13 destroyers
18 submarines
8. Ginsbert modernized plan:
3 battleships
1 cruiser /with hydro-planes/ - 6000 t, 8x 152, 8x 102, 12 hydro-planes, 35 knots,
12 destroyers
21 submarines
2. mine layers
9. KMW official plan - 1936:
until 1942:
6 destroyers
8 submarines
mine layer
10. A. Potyrala semi-official plan - 1936:
2 battleships: 25 000 t,
2 heavy cruisers - 10 000 t, 9x 203, 9x 120, 8 TT 533, 120 000 KM, 30+ knots, belt 200 mm,
9 destroyers,
9 torpedo boats,
18 submarines,
11. ORP "Kuna" - We planned purchase submarine built in Spain,
I. Poland had a lot of problems with English view of Middle-Europe political system.
1. Lloyd George was stupid and he didn't distinguish Poland's Galicia and Spain's.
2. Germany problem:
a: England thought that Germany would be counterweight against France economic, political, military domination in Europe, so counteracted G excessive weakness --> "attack" Polish border, plebiscite in Silesia etc.,
b: German Navy was kicked from oceans and rivalry with RN, but would had /in England opinion/ 1 place in Baltic sea /10 000 t. battleships weren't dangerous for RN, but strong against Baltic Country's Navy's/ ,
c: Neutralization Gdansk,
d: Old German ships to Poland --> It was very irritating.
3. RN Admiralty idea - neutralization Baltic,
4. No credits for Polish Navy
5. So we hadn't had any port and had coast only 150 km,
6. And only 6 small torpedo boat without guns and torpedoes for Poland, they stationed in "Free City Gdansk"
Compare USA politics after WWII. A lot of ships transferred for a lot of country's. LC for South Americans for example.
II. Polish Navy plans.
1. Poland Delegation Wersal's intervention:
1-2 light cruiser /s/
2 destroyers
2. VII 1919 y. official PMW plan:
1. light cruiser - 3000 t
4 destroyers - 800 t
2 submarines - 500, 200 t
6 mine ships - 100 t
with cooperation /credits/ with Admiralty. But RN refused because neutralization Baltic plan.
3. 1920 y. official PMW plan.
Until 1929:
2 battleships
6 cruisers
28 destroyers
45 submarines
28 mine ships
54 torpedo cutter /?/
On Rivers:
4 big monitors
20 small monitors
25 gunned motor boats
Planes:
64 hydroplanes
This plan was completely unreal, because economic crisis.
3. IX 1920 official PMW plan /next/:
Until 1923:
1 light cruiser - 5000 t,
4 destroyers: 1500-2000 t,
2 submarines - 560 t
With RN cooperation - consent in V 1920.
But Foreign Office objection in IX 1920.
4. 1924 - Small Program - official:
Until 1936:
2 cruisers,
6 destroyers,
12 torpedo boats,
12 submarines
reduced in 1925:
9 submarines built in France - 600-900 t.
It was first plan partial realized - 3 submarines "Wilk" class was built and 2 destroyers "Wicher" class too.
"D'Entrecasteaux" was purchased.
5. 1931 - Disarmament Negotiation /Geneva/ - Poland declare fleet 150 000 t.
/in reaction for British stopping small fleets plan/
Since this declaration in Poland risen a lot of impossible fleet plans.
6. Kadm. Swirski /PMW commander/ plan:
a: 208 000 t fleet /!!!!!/
4 battleships /25 000 t/
4 light cruisers
12 destroyers
36 submarines
=137 400 t
Convoy escort feet:
4 light cruisers
22 destroyers
=71 000 t
7. "Near official" J. Ginsbert plan:
3 battleships
carrier
1 cruiser
4 "krzyzowiec" - something between destroyer and l. cruiser
13 destroyers
18 submarines
8. Ginsbert modernized plan:
3 battleships
1 cruiser /with hydro-planes/ - 6000 t, 8x 152, 8x 102, 12 hydro-planes, 35 knots,
12 destroyers
21 submarines
2. mine layers
9. KMW official plan - 1936:
until 1942:
6 destroyers
8 submarines
mine layer
10. A. Potyrala semi-official plan - 1936:
2 battleships: 25 000 t,
2 heavy cruisers - 10 000 t, 9x 203, 9x 120, 8 TT 533, 120 000 KM, 30+ knots, belt 200 mm,
9 destroyers,
9 torpedo boats,
18 submarines,
11. ORP "Kuna" - We planned purchase submarine built in Spain,