DIB-EL BAHR (ذئب البحر) ON-- Iron Paddle Tug Steamer
08.1865/1865 Robert Napier & Sons, East Yard, Govan, #121
392grt 220nrt 135.0ft x25.0 x 12.0ft h x 3ft d
2Cy 50in-70in by builders, #268 250nhp 400ihp
1865 AGITATOR Indian Government (Department of Public Works), Calcutta
Contract price £26.650. For use in port of Calcutta, but not taken over by Calcutta Port trust
186x Bengal Government (Used as survey vessel by Bengal Presidency)
1873 Indian Government (Royal Indian Marine)
1873 Sent to Egypt in to assist with troopships but unsuitable
Sold to Egyptian Government for £7,000.
1874 Egyptian Government gunboat – aviso Egyptian Navy
23.10.1874 Port Said arrived via Suez Canal (Egyptian man-of-war str.)
6.08.1876 served as reserve lightship at Suez
03.1877 at Red Sea sent to look for survivors of the corvette LATIF
19.11.1881-25.02.1882 condensing ship during Cholera epidemii , delivered 2795t water
26.06.1882 Suez Canal in the way (Egyptian man-of-war)
29.07.1882 Alexandria arrived from Port Said, master Murray (Egyptian gnbt)
23.08.1882 Alexandria arrived from Port Said
1884 condensing ship at Trinkitat
28.08.1884 returned to Suakin
1886-88 stationary coastguard vessel at Marsa Matroo
23.05.1885 left Suakin with GAFFARIEH
25.02.1886 Suakim, left to search coasts Suakim-Agik
???
1891 LRS DIB EL BAHR Khedivieh Mail S.S. Co, Alexandria
1893 not listed in Lloyd
Other names: DEB EL BAHR, DIB EL BAHR, DEEB EL BAHR, DEH EL BABE
The Graphic - Saturday 23 February 1884
The Rebellion in the Soudan (Sudan) with Baker Pasha's Expedition to Relieve Tokar: The Condensing Ship Dib El Bahr Condensing Water for the Troops at Trinkitat
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Morning Post - Friday 07 July 1882
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Zelazna (opancerzona kaninierka na Nil.
Rahmanyech iron screw gunboat
launched on 25.9.59 by Forges et Chantiers de la Mediterranean, La Seyne
80grt, 50nrt, 16nhp.
For the voyage to Egypt registered by D. Valentin & Co., La Seyne
Also known as RAHMANIEH.
Bureau Veritas 1860
Rahmanyech iron screw gunboat
launched on 25.9.59 by Forges et Chantiers de la Mediterranean, La Seyne
80grt, 50nrt, 16nhp.
For the voyage to Egypt registered by D. Valentin & Co., La Seyne
Also known as RAHMANIEH.
Bureau Veritas 1860
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Correspondence respecting Affairs of Egypt
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Said Pasha baught from Europe two armored ships:
"Zarkh number one" (زرخ نمرة واحد)
"Zarkh numbet two" (زرخ نمرة اثنين)
they were baught to be used on the Nile river
Wedlug tabeli z Austrii podanej wyzej
No.1 byl zbuowany we Francji
No.2 byl zbuowany we Anglii
Nalezaly do floty Morze Srodzeimnego.
Morskoy Sbornik w 1869 podaje nastepujace kanonierki na Nilu.
Bahile (4 guns in 1869).
Zinet El Bakrim (4 guns in 1869).
No.? (4 guns in 1869).
"Zarkh number one" (زرخ نمرة واحد)
(Niestety na razie nie ma obrazka)
"Zarkh numbet two" (زرخ نمرة اثنين)
"Zarkh number one" (زرخ نمرة واحد)
"Zarkh numbet two" (زرخ نمرة اثنين)
they were baught to be used on the Nile river
Wedlug tabeli z Austrii podanej wyzej
No.1 byl zbuowany we Francji
No.2 byl zbuowany we Anglii
Nalezaly do floty Morze Srodzeimnego.
Morskoy Sbornik w 1869 podaje nastepujace kanonierki na Nilu.
Bahile (4 guns in 1869).
Zinet El Bakrim (4 guns in 1869).
No.? (4 guns in 1869).
"Zarkh number one" (زرخ نمرة واحد)
(Niestety na razie nie ma obrazka)
"Zarkh numbet two" (زرخ نمرة اثنين)
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"zarkh" to 'pancerz, pancerny' - z tur. "zırh".AvM pisze: Said Pasha baught from Europe two armored ships:
"Zarkh number one" (زرخ نمرة واحد)
"Zarkh numbet two" (زرخ نمرة اثنين)
they were baught to be used on the Nile river
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Tu zostawiam miejsc na wielka niespodzianke
Harper's Magazine - Vol 50 - 1874 Seite 146
Torpedowiec AEROLITE
zbudowany 1874 Beafie & Very, Philadelphia
na probach 21 mil (chyba ladowych?)
Harper's Magazine - Vol 50 - 1874 Seite 146
Torpedowiec AEROLITE
zbudowany 1874 Beafie & Very, Philadelphia
na probach 21 mil (chyba ladowych?)
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Flota Egipska w 1882 i wczesciej
Czas na transportowce
"El Maggideya" company that was established in February 1857 - 1273 higri
Jak pamietam kompania, ktora popadla w dlugi, byla w 1872 przejete przez Marynarkr,
The Azizeya company has reached up to 19 ships in the Mediterranean + 10 in the Red Sea
Damanhour. دمنهور
DAMANHOUR (دمنهور ) ON27845 Passenger Cargo Iron Screw Steamer
01.07.1859/1859 Smith & Rodger, Middleton Yard, Govan, #58
803gr 626nrt 219.6x30.2x17.1
by builders 240nhp
26.08.1859 IBERIA Malcomson Brothers, Waterford (registered 8/59)
1864 DAMANHOUR
1895/96 LRS not listed
Mahalla. محلا or محلة
EL MAHALLA (المحلة ) ON50495 Cargo General Iron Screw Steamer
07.05.1864/09.1864 Matthew Pearse and Co., Stockton-on-Tees, #52
1105grt 865nrt 223.4ft x 31.1ft x 21.8 ft
2 inverted direct acting 43in x 140nhp
Launched as SHAKESPEARE
10.10.1864 NYANZA Frederick Chapple (52), Samuel (8) Alfred William (2) and Samuel, jun (2) Duton, all merchants of Liverpool (reg Liverpool 422/1864)
1865 MAHALLA
Q3.1910 broken up at Genoa
Dessouk. دسوق
DESSOUK (دسوق ) ON50135 Cargo General Iron Screw Steamer
02.09.1864/1864 Denton, Gray & Co, Middleton, #56
1389grt 1062nrt 245.1ft x 32.0ft x 24.2ft
2cyl 28,57 x 48in 200hp by Thomas Richardson & Sons 1 screw
4 bulkheads
Launched as DOLMEBAKTCHI
2.11.1864 DESSOUK J. Richie, London (registered 437/1864)
1865 DESSOUK Egyptian Government
1880 brought Cleopatra's Needle from Egypt to New York
1880 DESSOUG Ocean Steamship Co., Savannah, Ga in (coastwise service) ON157043 JVKS
c1898 reduced to a towed barge (schoner rigged)
21.10.1908 foundered off the coast of Virginia, 17sm miles northeast of Winter Quarter Shoal.
Rahmanieh. رحمانية
EL RAHMANYA ( الرحمانية ) ON52697 Cargo General Iron Screw
11.01.1865/1865 Richardson, Duck & Company Ltd.,Stockton, #104
1688grt 1010nrt 2445t displacement 1524obm 268.6 x 34.0 x 25.6ft depth 16ft mean draft
2 cyl direct acting surface condensing by Thomas Richardson & Sons 300nhp (or200nhp) 1200ihp 11.5kts
Passengers 40 – I class 300 II class
18.05.1865 EL RAHMANIEH James Allan, London 1299nrt (reg /1865)
1865 RAHMANIEH Egyptian
1899 EL RAHMANIEH Khedivial Mail Steamship & Graving Dock Company Ltd., (J.Temperley,
1911 register closed as sold to foreign buyers
Taka طاقة
AL TAKA (التاكا) ON26471 Passenger Cargo Iron Screw Steamer 3 Masts
05.03.1852/1852 William Denny & Bros, Dumbarton, #32
1402grt 734nrt 226.5 ft x 33.2 ft x 24.0
C2cyl 66 & 66 x 54in. By Tulloch & Denny, Dumbarton 300nhp, 10 knots
Ordered by G & J Burns for Cunard - Proposed Panama Service.
Mail Ships - Steam Clippers.
Passenger cargo vessel, originally to have been MELITA
18.05.1852 AUSTRALIAN Australian Royal Mail Steam Navigation Company, London (reg. 153/1852)
1857 East India Company
1866 CAKA Egyptian Government.
???
Fayoum. فيوم
EL FAYOUM (الفيوم ) ON110137 Iron Twin Screw
19.06.1863/1864 J.D’.A. Samuda, Poplar
1635grt 936nrt 289.0 x 34.3 x 21.6ft (1899)
2cyl oscillating John Penn & Son, Greenwich 300nhp
12.06.1899 FAYOUM Khedivial Mail Steamship & Graving Dock Company Ltd., (J.Temperley,
14.01.1909 register closed as sold to Italy
Behera. بحيرة
EL BEHERA (البحيرة) ON123646 Iron Screw
1865/1865 J.D’.A. Samuda, Poplar
1598grt 888nrt 262.0ft x 35.4ft x 23.6ft 1906
Oscillating engine by Penn & Sons, Greenwich 350nhp
Cost £85,000
(?) 29.12.1864 left Alexandria for Liverpool, master Childe
1865 BEHERA Aziziye Company, Alexandria
1895/96 LRS MARIOUT ( مريوط )
18.05.1906 MARIOUT Khedivial Mail Steamship & Graving Dock Company Ltd., (J.Temperley, mgrs) (reg London 83/1906)
Q3.1910 broken up Genoa
Charkieh. شرقية
EL SHARKEYA (الشرقية ) ON52689 Iron Screw
01.12.1864/06.1865 Thames Iron Works, Shipbuilding, Engineering & D D Co. Ltd., Orchard street, Blackwall, London, #6f
1615.80grt 1167.50nrt 2177t disp. 262.3ft dk x 276.7ft x 35.8ft x 24.3 (May 1865)
Engined by J. & R. Rennie, geared 350nhp 1166ihp 6 bladed screw
I- Class Passengers: 50 or 60 Deck Passengers 350-400
13.04.1864 contracted with sisterships one Samuda another by Wigram. Designed by George C. Mackrow.
8.05.1865 CHARKIEH H. Bayley, London (reg London /1865)
18.07.1865 removed from register as sold to foreigners
1865 EL SHARKEYA Aziziye Company, Alexandria
1899 CHARKIEH The Khedivial Mail Steamship an Graving Dock Co. Lim, London
18.09.1900 Wrecked off the island of Andros, 40 persons pernished. (or 38). The rest (??) rescued by EMPRESS OF INDIA.
Chebine. شبين
SHEBEEN (شبين ) ON50170 General Cargo Iron Screw
1864/12.1864 James Ash & Co, Cubbit Town, Poplar, London
869grt 677nrt 235.7 x 27.9 x 17.2
engined by J.Stewart 180 nhp
17.12.1864 OCTAVIA T.S.Begbie, London (reg 493/1864)
03.10.1865 removed from registers as sold to foreigners
1899 CHIBINE Khedivial Mail Steamship & Graving Dock Company Ltd., (J.Temperley, mgrs) (reg London 140/1899) RFPB
09.03.1900 wrecked off Sinai, at Sherateeb, 30sm N of Tor; voyage: Suez-Jeddah; cargo: general
Dakahlieh. دقهلية
EL DAKAHLAEA (الدقهلية ) ON52728 Iron Screw
02.1865/1865 Money Wigram & Sons, London
1553.12grt 1108.24nrt 260.0ft 269.8ft oa x 35.0 x 24.1 (may 1864)
SE horizontal engine geared by J. & G. Rennie 350nhp 1923ihp 16.2kts max
Ordered via Peninsular & Oriental Company
28.06.1865 DAKAHLIEH H. Bayley, London (reg London /1865)
1865 EL DAKAHLAEA Aziziye Company, Alexandria
1899 DAKAHLIEH Khedivial Mail Steamship & Graving Dock Company Ltd., (J.Temperley, 1438grt 644nrt 269.8 x 36.0 x 24.0 (1899)
08.1923 sold to Italy
Tanta. طنطا
TANTA (طنطا ) ON48719 Cargo General Iron Screw Steamer
10.12.1863/1864 Richardson, Duck & Company Ltd., Stockton, #97
1314grt 966nrt 1445obm 269.3ft x 33.5 ft x 21.1ft depth draft: 15ft9in fwd17ft9in aft
I vertical direct acting 2cyl (54, 36in) by Thomas Richardson & Sons, Hartlepool 250hp 892ihp 66.5rpm 21lb, screw of Jaffrey’s principle 17ft6in Ø pitch 24ft 12.054kts
Launched as PRINCESS THYRA
1864 TANTAH James Allan, London (reg 22/1864)
1865 Egyptian Navigation Co., Alexandria
10.01.1884 lost at Abukisch, near Suakim, The troops on board, intended as reinforcements for Suakim were all saved, but the ammunition and mulets went to bottom.
Samannoud. سمنود
SAMANNOUD (سمنود) ON---- Cargo General Wooden Screw Steamer
10.12.1863/1864 Tonnelero, Trieste
1314grt 966nrt 1445obm 269.3ft x 33.5 ft x 21.1ft depth draft: 15ft9in fwd17ft9in aft
I vertical direct acting 2cyl (54, 36in) by Thomas Richardson & Sons, Hartlepool 250hp 892ihp 66.5rpm 21lb, screw of Jaffrey’s principle 17ft6in Ø pitch 24ft 12.054kts
1864 TANTAH James Allan, London (reg 22/1864)
1865 Egyptian Navigation Co., Alexandria
10.01.1884 lost at Abukisch, near Suakim, The troops on board, intended as reinforcements for Suakim were all saved, but the ammunition and mulets went to bottom.
To be corrected
Minieh. منيا
EL MENYA (المنيا ) ON-- Iron Screw
1863/1864 reported as Clyde built screw iron
Eg 798nrt 230t cargo
Eg 357,6ft x 30,8ft x 16,9ft (357,6 ft is typo error so could be 257,6ft)
Eg 170nhp or 200nhp
1867 arrived at Alexandria with 730 soldiers from Candia
09.10.1869 Alexandria, left for Constantinople with 14 slaves
originally at Mediterranean, not passed Suez Canal till 1874
still operated in late 1870s at Red Sea as a troop transporter
Other names: MINIEH, EL MENYA, MINIYEH, MINIAH
Same?
5 bulkheads. Schooner rigged. Minich surveyed Amsterdam 9.58, master Diker for Vice-Roy, Alexandria
30.05.1865 Falmouth Minieh (s), Dykers Amsterdam for Alexandria
Gaafarieh. جعفريا or جعفريه
See as gunboat
Messir مسير
MASSER (مسير ) ON51063 Cargo General Iron Screw Steamer
18.08.1864/1864 Barclay, Curle & Co. Ltd.,Stobcross Yard, Glasgow, #123
776grt 626nrt 226.5ft x 28.0ft x 15.6 ft
2cyl by builders 125nhp
17.09.1864 ARGYLL John Warrack & Co., Leith (reg 23/1864)
02.12.1864 ARGYLL (s), Cumming, Chapple, Dutton & Co loading at Liverpool for Alexandria
3.10.1865 removed from registers as sold to foreigners
05.1865 MISSIR Khedivial Steamship Administration, Egypt - reg Alexandria
1899 MISSIR Khedivial Mail Steamship & Graving Dock Company Ltd., London (J.Temperley, mgrs) RFNL (registered 143/1899)
786grt 445nrt
29.05.1918 Torpedoed by German submarine UB-51, 80 miles WxN of Alexandria (Alexandria for Sollum, governmnet stores and general cargo); 34 lives lost
Mansourah. منصورة
EL MANSOURA ( المنصورة) ON47839 Cargo Iron Screw Steamer
11.11.1863/1864 Barclay, Curle & Co. Ltd., Stobcross Yard, Glasgow,#112
664grt 509nrt 215.2ft x27.0ft x 14.7ft
by builders 123nhp
05.01.1864 ALBATROSS James Cowan 48/64, John Warrack & John White 8/64ths each, Glasgow (registered 2/1864)
02.01.1864 H C Kay, London.
14.01.1864 sold at Alexandria to Egyptian merchant owners.
15.03.1864 removed from registers
22.02.1864 EL MANSOURA Khedivial Steamship Association, Alexandria
1896/97 LRS not listed
Néguileh نخيله
EL NAGELA (النجيلة ) ON51065 Cargo General Iron Screw Steamer
05.10.1864/1864 Barclay, Curle & Co. Ltd., Stobcross Yard, Glasgow, #124
777grt 629nrt 226.8x28.0x15.5
2cyl 125nhp by builders (or 115nhp)
31.10.1864 MORAY John Warrack & Co., Leith (reg 29/1864)
22.05.1865 removed from register as sold to foreigners
05.1865 NEGHILEH Khedivial Steamship Administration, Egypt - reg Alexandria
1899 NEGHILEH Khedivial Mail Steamship & Graving Dock Company Ltd., (J.Temperley, mgrs) RFNT (reg London 141/1899)
1920 Compagnie Maritime de l'Afrique Orientale, France
1923 Broken up in France
Zagazig. زقازيق
EL ZAKAZIK (الزقازيق ) ON45353 Iron Screw
17.12.1862/1863 Smith & Rodger, Middleton Yard, Govan, #85
853grt 678nrt 251.3ft x30.4ft x19.9ft
by builders 188nhp
27.02.1863 PENN Malcomson Brothers, Waterford (registered 1/63)
27.03.1863 Deal, arrived from River for West
22.05.1863 Waterford Passage arrived from London
24.05.1863 removed from registers as sold to foreigners
1864 ZAGAZIG Azizye Company, Egypt
1889 STILL EXIST
Hedjaz. حجاز
EL HEGAZ (الحجاز ) ON-- Iron Screw Barque rigged
1858/04.1858 Paul van Vlissingen & Dudok van Heel, Amsterdam
906grt 585nrt 1150bm 220ftx31.5ftx19.4ft hx16ft d
200nhp by builders 10kts
Coal 23t@day; 5 bulkheads.
Crew: 1865:100 1868:75
Built for Societe Belge de Bateaux a Vapeur entre laa Belgique et L’Americe du Sud, Antwerp
Launched as SAID or RACHID
1858 purchased by Compagnie Medjidie
1864 Compagnie Azzizie
10.11.1867 chartered at Suez by British for Abyssinian Campaign £55 per day. Discharged 8.05.1868
1870 Khedival Mail Steamers (Egyptian Government)
18.03.1881 Lissa Austrian steamer FORTUNA (formerly the Egyptian steamer HAGEZ) Xigga, from
Alexandria, put in here yesterday, with master sick. (Lloyd's List 26.03.1881)
American Lloyd
LA FORTUNA barque 1022t built 11’1859 Rotterdam owned D.Pollak, Trieste
master A.Xigga ex steamer KEDJAZ
1888 AM Sinadino Temistocle, Triest, captain Xigga.
1890 AM not listed
Hadida. حديدة
EL HODEYEDA (الحديدية ) ON27848 Passenger Cargo Iron Screw Steamer
27.10.1859/1859 Smith & Rodger, Middleton Yard, Govan, #60
803grt 626nrt 219.4ft x 30.2ft x 17.1ft
engined by builders 250nhp
01.12.1859 LEDA Malcomson Brothers, Waterford (reg 15/1859)
(On Dublin-London service)
1864 HODEIDAH Azizye Company, Egypt
12.10.1867 chartered at Suez by British for Abyssinian Campaign £60 per day. Discharged 8.05.1868
1896/97 LRS not listed
In 1895 s ships were broken up in Egypt
Yanbo. ينبع
YANBOU (ينبع ) ON47911 Iron Screw
09.03.1863/9.1863 Charles & William Earle, Hull, #76
805grt 681nrt 208.5ft x28.0ft x15.0ft
by builders 90nhp
coal 32.4t @ day
crew 100
1864 VANGUARD Bailey & Leetham, Hull (reg Hull 39/1864)
16.06.1864 removed from registers as sold to foreigners
1864
12.10.1867 chartered at Suez by British for Abyssinian Campaign £60 per day. Discharged 8.05.1868
120 nhp
1904 YAMBO Khedivial Mail Steamship & Graving Dock Company Ltd., (J.Temperley, mgrs) (reg London 38/1904) VPTK
1904: 826grt 657nrt 208.5 x 28.5 x 15.8ft 120nhp
1910 register closed, sold to Italy
Q3.1910 broken up at Genua
Kosseir. قصير
KOUSSEIR (قصير ) ON47915 Iron Screw
10.03.1863/11.1863 Charles & William Earle, Hull, #77
1042grt 918nrt 218.4ft x28.6ft x16.0ft EG 1159.87grt 600nrt (Eg:917nrt) 218ft x 38ft x 16ft
2 cyl by builders 97nhp (or 90nhp)
coal 24.2t @ day
Crew: 1865: 100 1868: 74 1873: 73
ex Pacha yacht 750t
25.11.1863 JASON Bailey & Leetham, Hull (register #49/1863)
01.1864 H. C. Kay, London (as agent)
09.05.1864 sold to Viceroy of Egypt
1864 KOSSEIR
1880 still listed operated at Red Sea (900t)
1888 laid up at Suez
Souakin سواقين
SOUWAKEN ( سواكن ) ON43958 Iron Screw 3 masts schooner rigged
24.01.1861/1861 J.D’.A. Samuda, Poplar
598grt 481nrt 631bm 189.0ft (LR) 197.3ftx26.6ftx16.2ft
100nhp (also 85nhp)
Crew: 1865: 90 1868: 70; 4 bulkheads.
25.02.1861 GLADIATOR J.D.A.Samuda, London (registered 272/1861)
1864 Compagnie Azzeziah
10.11.1867 chartered at Suez by British for Abyssinian Campaign £50 per day. Discharged 8.05.1868
2x.05.1871 sank after collision the English steamer AFRICA, outward-bound near the light-house “El-Ashrafy” in the Red Sea. AFRICA returned to Suez 30.05.1871 with all the crew of SOUAKIN
except 18 men , who are supposed to have taken refuga at the lighthouse. AFRICA, from London to China, formely arrived at Port Said at 24.05.1871.
Massawa مساوايا
KABBARY (قباري ) ON20850 Iron Screw 3 masts schooner rigged
25.09.1857/1858 J.D’.A. Samuda, Poplar
603.42grt 410.32nrt 750bm 195.3ft bp 196.3 dk x25.8ftx15.7ft
2 Cyl by John Penn 100nhp
Crew: 1865: 1868:
Carried 450-500 troops; 4 bulkheads
08.07.1857 measured
25.02.1858 FLORIMEL J.Allen, London (registered #49/1858)
1882 FENICE Austrian
Ernesto Gellner hatte mir vor vielen Jahren mitgteilt, dass die LA FENICE am 05.07.1882 von Daniele Pollok angekauft wurde unter unter Ö-U-Flagge gebracht wurde. Vom Namen her steht es außer Frage, dass die RADJI KERIM ein ägypt. Fahrzeug war
22.02.1882 FENICE arrived Suez prior to.
30.11.1882 Muscat, LA FENICE, master Badessich, sailed Persian Gulf
09.01.1883 Aden arrived LA FENICE, master Badessich, from Busreh
10.01.1883 Aden sailed LA FENICE, master Badessich, for Jeddah
(What 10.01.1883 Aden sailed NEERA (s), master Ibrahm, for Perim)
28.01.1883 Port Said, arrived LA FENICE, from Busreh
1883 RADJI KERIM Seyd Alla Hullaboo & Co., Alexandria
01.05.1884 RADJI KERIM st. ott. de Djeddah a Alexandrie.
12.10.1888 Port Said arrived (Turk steamer) via Suetz Canal Yambo for Beyrouth
08.04.1889 Alexandria The Turkish steamer Radji Kerim, bound to Tripoli, has put back with damage to low pressure cylinder cover.
08.1889 Sailed under ballast from Alexandria for Djeddah
25.09.1889 RADJI KERIM Turkish steamer at Port Tewfik
c7.11.1889 RADJI KERIM arrived Constantinople from Black Sea
21.12.1889 RADJI KERIM arrived Constantinople from Black Sea
24.12.1892 RADJI KERIM at Port Said
11.03.1898 foundred 32N 28 E , voyage Alexandria for Derna Benghazi; crew saved (Lloyd's List - Friday 18 March 1898)
LRS 1901/02 RADJI KERIM ex Fenice ex Florimel owned by Sudalla Bey Hallabo, Alexandria (639grt 412nrt)
Koffeit. ؟!؟
KOFFIN ( كوفيت ) ON???? Iron Screw
1170grt 850nrt 3.96d
300nhp
England
Crew: 1865: 100 1868: 74
Other names: KOFFIN, KOFFEIT, KOUFFIT, COFFIN
Kouffit transfer Suez Canal 1170t declared 850 pay x4.27 861 passengers
1880 not listed
Very probably ex
NILE () ON45396 Iron Paddle
17.02.1862/11.1862 Jones, Quiggin, &Co Liverpool, #121
1157.77grt 768.58nrt 1350bm 250.2ft dk 249.5ft bp 240.0ft x34.2ft mx 33.3ft main x21.0ftx
2 cyl by G.Forrester &Co 300nhp
"El Maggideya" company that was established in February 1857 - 1273 higri
Jak pamietam kompania, ktora popadla w dlugi, byla w 1872 przejete przez Marynarkr,
The Azizeya company has reached up to 19 ships in the Mediterranean + 10 in the Red Sea
Damanhour. دمنهور
DAMANHOUR (دمنهور ) ON27845 Passenger Cargo Iron Screw Steamer
01.07.1859/1859 Smith & Rodger, Middleton Yard, Govan, #58
803gr 626nrt 219.6x30.2x17.1
by builders 240nhp
26.08.1859 IBERIA Malcomson Brothers, Waterford (registered 8/59)
1864 DAMANHOUR
1895/96 LRS not listed
Mahalla. محلا or محلة
EL MAHALLA (المحلة ) ON50495 Cargo General Iron Screw Steamer
07.05.1864/09.1864 Matthew Pearse and Co., Stockton-on-Tees, #52
1105grt 865nrt 223.4ft x 31.1ft x 21.8 ft
2 inverted direct acting 43in x 140nhp
Launched as SHAKESPEARE
10.10.1864 NYANZA Frederick Chapple (52), Samuel (8) Alfred William (2) and Samuel, jun (2) Duton, all merchants of Liverpool (reg Liverpool 422/1864)
1865 MAHALLA
Q3.1910 broken up at Genoa
Dessouk. دسوق
DESSOUK (دسوق ) ON50135 Cargo General Iron Screw Steamer
02.09.1864/1864 Denton, Gray & Co, Middleton, #56
1389grt 1062nrt 245.1ft x 32.0ft x 24.2ft
2cyl 28,57 x 48in 200hp by Thomas Richardson & Sons 1 screw
4 bulkheads
Launched as DOLMEBAKTCHI
2.11.1864 DESSOUK J. Richie, London (registered 437/1864)
1865 DESSOUK Egyptian Government
1880 brought Cleopatra's Needle from Egypt to New York
1880 DESSOUG Ocean Steamship Co., Savannah, Ga in (coastwise service) ON157043 JVKS
c1898 reduced to a towed barge (schoner rigged)
21.10.1908 foundered off the coast of Virginia, 17sm miles northeast of Winter Quarter Shoal.
Rahmanieh. رحمانية
EL RAHMANYA ( الرحمانية ) ON52697 Cargo General Iron Screw
11.01.1865/1865 Richardson, Duck & Company Ltd.,Stockton, #104
1688grt 1010nrt 2445t displacement 1524obm 268.6 x 34.0 x 25.6ft depth 16ft mean draft
2 cyl direct acting surface condensing by Thomas Richardson & Sons 300nhp (or200nhp) 1200ihp 11.5kts
Passengers 40 – I class 300 II class
18.05.1865 EL RAHMANIEH James Allan, London 1299nrt (reg /1865)
1865 RAHMANIEH Egyptian
1899 EL RAHMANIEH Khedivial Mail Steamship & Graving Dock Company Ltd., (J.Temperley,
1911 register closed as sold to foreign buyers
Taka طاقة
AL TAKA (التاكا) ON26471 Passenger Cargo Iron Screw Steamer 3 Masts
05.03.1852/1852 William Denny & Bros, Dumbarton, #32
1402grt 734nrt 226.5 ft x 33.2 ft x 24.0
C2cyl 66 & 66 x 54in. By Tulloch & Denny, Dumbarton 300nhp, 10 knots
Ordered by G & J Burns for Cunard - Proposed Panama Service.
Mail Ships - Steam Clippers.
Passenger cargo vessel, originally to have been MELITA
18.05.1852 AUSTRALIAN Australian Royal Mail Steam Navigation Company, London (reg. 153/1852)
1857 East India Company
1866 CAKA Egyptian Government.
???
Fayoum. فيوم
EL FAYOUM (الفيوم ) ON110137 Iron Twin Screw
19.06.1863/1864 J.D’.A. Samuda, Poplar
1635grt 936nrt 289.0 x 34.3 x 21.6ft (1899)
2cyl oscillating John Penn & Son, Greenwich 300nhp
12.06.1899 FAYOUM Khedivial Mail Steamship & Graving Dock Company Ltd., (J.Temperley,
14.01.1909 register closed as sold to Italy
Behera. بحيرة
EL BEHERA (البحيرة) ON123646 Iron Screw
1865/1865 J.D’.A. Samuda, Poplar
1598grt 888nrt 262.0ft x 35.4ft x 23.6ft 1906
Oscillating engine by Penn & Sons, Greenwich 350nhp
Cost £85,000
(?) 29.12.1864 left Alexandria for Liverpool, master Childe
1865 BEHERA Aziziye Company, Alexandria
1895/96 LRS MARIOUT ( مريوط )
18.05.1906 MARIOUT Khedivial Mail Steamship & Graving Dock Company Ltd., (J.Temperley, mgrs) (reg London 83/1906)
Q3.1910 broken up Genoa
Charkieh. شرقية
EL SHARKEYA (الشرقية ) ON52689 Iron Screw
01.12.1864/06.1865 Thames Iron Works, Shipbuilding, Engineering & D D Co. Ltd., Orchard street, Blackwall, London, #6f
1615.80grt 1167.50nrt 2177t disp. 262.3ft dk x 276.7ft x 35.8ft x 24.3 (May 1865)
Engined by J. & R. Rennie, geared 350nhp 1166ihp 6 bladed screw
I- Class Passengers: 50 or 60 Deck Passengers 350-400
13.04.1864 contracted with sisterships one Samuda another by Wigram. Designed by George C. Mackrow.
8.05.1865 CHARKIEH H. Bayley, London (reg London /1865)
18.07.1865 removed from register as sold to foreigners
1865 EL SHARKEYA Aziziye Company, Alexandria
1899 CHARKIEH The Khedivial Mail Steamship an Graving Dock Co. Lim, London
18.09.1900 Wrecked off the island of Andros, 40 persons pernished. (or 38). The rest (??) rescued by EMPRESS OF INDIA.
Chebine. شبين
SHEBEEN (شبين ) ON50170 General Cargo Iron Screw
1864/12.1864 James Ash & Co, Cubbit Town, Poplar, London
869grt 677nrt 235.7 x 27.9 x 17.2
engined by J.Stewart 180 nhp
17.12.1864 OCTAVIA T.S.Begbie, London (reg 493/1864)
03.10.1865 removed from registers as sold to foreigners
1899 CHIBINE Khedivial Mail Steamship & Graving Dock Company Ltd., (J.Temperley, mgrs) (reg London 140/1899) RFPB
09.03.1900 wrecked off Sinai, at Sherateeb, 30sm N of Tor; voyage: Suez-Jeddah; cargo: general
Dakahlieh. دقهلية
EL DAKAHLAEA (الدقهلية ) ON52728 Iron Screw
02.1865/1865 Money Wigram & Sons, London
1553.12grt 1108.24nrt 260.0ft 269.8ft oa x 35.0 x 24.1 (may 1864)
SE horizontal engine geared by J. & G. Rennie 350nhp 1923ihp 16.2kts max
Ordered via Peninsular & Oriental Company
28.06.1865 DAKAHLIEH H. Bayley, London (reg London /1865)
1865 EL DAKAHLAEA Aziziye Company, Alexandria
1899 DAKAHLIEH Khedivial Mail Steamship & Graving Dock Company Ltd., (J.Temperley, 1438grt 644nrt 269.8 x 36.0 x 24.0 (1899)
08.1923 sold to Italy
Tanta. طنطا
TANTA (طنطا ) ON48719 Cargo General Iron Screw Steamer
10.12.1863/1864 Richardson, Duck & Company Ltd., Stockton, #97
1314grt 966nrt 1445obm 269.3ft x 33.5 ft x 21.1ft depth draft: 15ft9in fwd17ft9in aft
I vertical direct acting 2cyl (54, 36in) by Thomas Richardson & Sons, Hartlepool 250hp 892ihp 66.5rpm 21lb, screw of Jaffrey’s principle 17ft6in Ø pitch 24ft 12.054kts
Launched as PRINCESS THYRA
1864 TANTAH James Allan, London (reg 22/1864)
1865 Egyptian Navigation Co., Alexandria
10.01.1884 lost at Abukisch, near Suakim, The troops on board, intended as reinforcements for Suakim were all saved, but the ammunition and mulets went to bottom.
Samannoud. سمنود
SAMANNOUD (سمنود) ON---- Cargo General Wooden Screw Steamer
10.12.1863/1864 Tonnelero, Trieste
1314grt 966nrt 1445obm 269.3ft x 33.5 ft x 21.1ft depth draft: 15ft9in fwd17ft9in aft
I vertical direct acting 2cyl (54, 36in) by Thomas Richardson & Sons, Hartlepool 250hp 892ihp 66.5rpm 21lb, screw of Jaffrey’s principle 17ft6in Ø pitch 24ft 12.054kts
1864 TANTAH James Allan, London (reg 22/1864)
1865 Egyptian Navigation Co., Alexandria
10.01.1884 lost at Abukisch, near Suakim, The troops on board, intended as reinforcements for Suakim were all saved, but the ammunition and mulets went to bottom.
To be corrected
Minieh. منيا
EL MENYA (المنيا ) ON-- Iron Screw
1863/1864 reported as Clyde built screw iron
Eg 798nrt 230t cargo
Eg 357,6ft x 30,8ft x 16,9ft (357,6 ft is typo error so could be 257,6ft)
Eg 170nhp or 200nhp
1867 arrived at Alexandria with 730 soldiers from Candia
09.10.1869 Alexandria, left for Constantinople with 14 slaves
originally at Mediterranean, not passed Suez Canal till 1874
still operated in late 1870s at Red Sea as a troop transporter
Other names: MINIEH, EL MENYA, MINIYEH, MINIAH
Same?
5 bulkheads. Schooner rigged. Minich surveyed Amsterdam 9.58, master Diker for Vice-Roy, Alexandria
30.05.1865 Falmouth Minieh (s), Dykers Amsterdam for Alexandria
Gaafarieh. جعفريا or جعفريه
See as gunboat
Messir مسير
MASSER (مسير ) ON51063 Cargo General Iron Screw Steamer
18.08.1864/1864 Barclay, Curle & Co. Ltd.,Stobcross Yard, Glasgow, #123
776grt 626nrt 226.5ft x 28.0ft x 15.6 ft
2cyl by builders 125nhp
17.09.1864 ARGYLL John Warrack & Co., Leith (reg 23/1864)
02.12.1864 ARGYLL (s), Cumming, Chapple, Dutton & Co loading at Liverpool for Alexandria
3.10.1865 removed from registers as sold to foreigners
05.1865 MISSIR Khedivial Steamship Administration, Egypt - reg Alexandria
1899 MISSIR Khedivial Mail Steamship & Graving Dock Company Ltd., London (J.Temperley, mgrs) RFNL (registered 143/1899)
786grt 445nrt
29.05.1918 Torpedoed by German submarine UB-51, 80 miles WxN of Alexandria (Alexandria for Sollum, governmnet stores and general cargo); 34 lives lost
Mansourah. منصورة
EL MANSOURA ( المنصورة) ON47839 Cargo Iron Screw Steamer
11.11.1863/1864 Barclay, Curle & Co. Ltd., Stobcross Yard, Glasgow,#112
664grt 509nrt 215.2ft x27.0ft x 14.7ft
by builders 123nhp
05.01.1864 ALBATROSS James Cowan 48/64, John Warrack & John White 8/64ths each, Glasgow (registered 2/1864)
02.01.1864 H C Kay, London.
14.01.1864 sold at Alexandria to Egyptian merchant owners.
15.03.1864 removed from registers
22.02.1864 EL MANSOURA Khedivial Steamship Association, Alexandria
1896/97 LRS not listed
Néguileh نخيله
EL NAGELA (النجيلة ) ON51065 Cargo General Iron Screw Steamer
05.10.1864/1864 Barclay, Curle & Co. Ltd., Stobcross Yard, Glasgow, #124
777grt 629nrt 226.8x28.0x15.5
2cyl 125nhp by builders (or 115nhp)
31.10.1864 MORAY John Warrack & Co., Leith (reg 29/1864)
22.05.1865 removed from register as sold to foreigners
05.1865 NEGHILEH Khedivial Steamship Administration, Egypt - reg Alexandria
1899 NEGHILEH Khedivial Mail Steamship & Graving Dock Company Ltd., (J.Temperley, mgrs) RFNT (reg London 141/1899)
1920 Compagnie Maritime de l'Afrique Orientale, France
1923 Broken up in France
Zagazig. زقازيق
EL ZAKAZIK (الزقازيق ) ON45353 Iron Screw
17.12.1862/1863 Smith & Rodger, Middleton Yard, Govan, #85
853grt 678nrt 251.3ft x30.4ft x19.9ft
by builders 188nhp
27.02.1863 PENN Malcomson Brothers, Waterford (registered 1/63)
27.03.1863 Deal, arrived from River for West
22.05.1863 Waterford Passage arrived from London
24.05.1863 removed from registers as sold to foreigners
1864 ZAGAZIG Azizye Company, Egypt
1889 STILL EXIST
Hedjaz. حجاز
EL HEGAZ (الحجاز ) ON-- Iron Screw Barque rigged
1858/04.1858 Paul van Vlissingen & Dudok van Heel, Amsterdam
906grt 585nrt 1150bm 220ftx31.5ftx19.4ft hx16ft d
200nhp by builders 10kts
Coal 23t@day; 5 bulkheads.
Crew: 1865:100 1868:75
Built for Societe Belge de Bateaux a Vapeur entre laa Belgique et L’Americe du Sud, Antwerp
Launched as SAID or RACHID
1858 purchased by Compagnie Medjidie
1864 Compagnie Azzizie
10.11.1867 chartered at Suez by British for Abyssinian Campaign £55 per day. Discharged 8.05.1868
1870 Khedival Mail Steamers (Egyptian Government)
18.03.1881 Lissa Austrian steamer FORTUNA (formerly the Egyptian steamer HAGEZ) Xigga, from
Alexandria, put in here yesterday, with master sick. (Lloyd's List 26.03.1881)
American Lloyd
LA FORTUNA barque 1022t built 11’1859 Rotterdam owned D.Pollak, Trieste
master A.Xigga ex steamer KEDJAZ
1888 AM Sinadino Temistocle, Triest, captain Xigga.
1890 AM not listed
Hadida. حديدة
EL HODEYEDA (الحديدية ) ON27848 Passenger Cargo Iron Screw Steamer
27.10.1859/1859 Smith & Rodger, Middleton Yard, Govan, #60
803grt 626nrt 219.4ft x 30.2ft x 17.1ft
engined by builders 250nhp
01.12.1859 LEDA Malcomson Brothers, Waterford (reg 15/1859)
(On Dublin-London service)
1864 HODEIDAH Azizye Company, Egypt
12.10.1867 chartered at Suez by British for Abyssinian Campaign £60 per day. Discharged 8.05.1868
1896/97 LRS not listed
In 1895 s ships were broken up in Egypt
Yanbo. ينبع
YANBOU (ينبع ) ON47911 Iron Screw
09.03.1863/9.1863 Charles & William Earle, Hull, #76
805grt 681nrt 208.5ft x28.0ft x15.0ft
by builders 90nhp
coal 32.4t @ day
crew 100
1864 VANGUARD Bailey & Leetham, Hull (reg Hull 39/1864)
16.06.1864 removed from registers as sold to foreigners
1864
12.10.1867 chartered at Suez by British for Abyssinian Campaign £60 per day. Discharged 8.05.1868
120 nhp
1904 YAMBO Khedivial Mail Steamship & Graving Dock Company Ltd., (J.Temperley, mgrs) (reg London 38/1904) VPTK
1904: 826grt 657nrt 208.5 x 28.5 x 15.8ft 120nhp
1910 register closed, sold to Italy
Q3.1910 broken up at Genua
Kosseir. قصير
KOUSSEIR (قصير ) ON47915 Iron Screw
10.03.1863/11.1863 Charles & William Earle, Hull, #77
1042grt 918nrt 218.4ft x28.6ft x16.0ft EG 1159.87grt 600nrt (Eg:917nrt) 218ft x 38ft x 16ft
2 cyl by builders 97nhp (or 90nhp)
coal 24.2t @ day
Crew: 1865: 100 1868: 74 1873: 73
ex Pacha yacht 750t
25.11.1863 JASON Bailey & Leetham, Hull (register #49/1863)
01.1864 H. C. Kay, London (as agent)
09.05.1864 sold to Viceroy of Egypt
1864 KOSSEIR
1880 still listed operated at Red Sea (900t)
1888 laid up at Suez
Souakin سواقين
SOUWAKEN ( سواكن ) ON43958 Iron Screw 3 masts schooner rigged
24.01.1861/1861 J.D’.A. Samuda, Poplar
598grt 481nrt 631bm 189.0ft (LR) 197.3ftx26.6ftx16.2ft
100nhp (also 85nhp)
Crew: 1865: 90 1868: 70; 4 bulkheads.
25.02.1861 GLADIATOR J.D.A.Samuda, London (registered 272/1861)
1864 Compagnie Azzeziah
10.11.1867 chartered at Suez by British for Abyssinian Campaign £50 per day. Discharged 8.05.1868
2x.05.1871 sank after collision the English steamer AFRICA, outward-bound near the light-house “El-Ashrafy” in the Red Sea. AFRICA returned to Suez 30.05.1871 with all the crew of SOUAKIN
except 18 men , who are supposed to have taken refuga at the lighthouse. AFRICA, from London to China, formely arrived at Port Said at 24.05.1871.
Massawa مساوايا
KABBARY (قباري ) ON20850 Iron Screw 3 masts schooner rigged
25.09.1857/1858 J.D’.A. Samuda, Poplar
603.42grt 410.32nrt 750bm 195.3ft bp 196.3 dk x25.8ftx15.7ft
2 Cyl by John Penn 100nhp
Crew: 1865: 1868:
Carried 450-500 troops; 4 bulkheads
08.07.1857 measured
25.02.1858 FLORIMEL J.Allen, London (registered #49/1858)
1882 FENICE Austrian
Ernesto Gellner hatte mir vor vielen Jahren mitgteilt, dass die LA FENICE am 05.07.1882 von Daniele Pollok angekauft wurde unter unter Ö-U-Flagge gebracht wurde. Vom Namen her steht es außer Frage, dass die RADJI KERIM ein ägypt. Fahrzeug war
22.02.1882 FENICE arrived Suez prior to.
30.11.1882 Muscat, LA FENICE, master Badessich, sailed Persian Gulf
09.01.1883 Aden arrived LA FENICE, master Badessich, from Busreh
10.01.1883 Aden sailed LA FENICE, master Badessich, for Jeddah
(What 10.01.1883 Aden sailed NEERA (s), master Ibrahm, for Perim)
28.01.1883 Port Said, arrived LA FENICE, from Busreh
1883 RADJI KERIM Seyd Alla Hullaboo & Co., Alexandria
01.05.1884 RADJI KERIM st. ott. de Djeddah a Alexandrie.
12.10.1888 Port Said arrived (Turk steamer) via Suetz Canal Yambo for Beyrouth
08.04.1889 Alexandria The Turkish steamer Radji Kerim, bound to Tripoli, has put back with damage to low pressure cylinder cover.
08.1889 Sailed under ballast from Alexandria for Djeddah
25.09.1889 RADJI KERIM Turkish steamer at Port Tewfik
c7.11.1889 RADJI KERIM arrived Constantinople from Black Sea
21.12.1889 RADJI KERIM arrived Constantinople from Black Sea
24.12.1892 RADJI KERIM at Port Said
11.03.1898 foundred 32N 28 E , voyage Alexandria for Derna Benghazi; crew saved (Lloyd's List - Friday 18 March 1898)
LRS 1901/02 RADJI KERIM ex Fenice ex Florimel owned by Sudalla Bey Hallabo, Alexandria (639grt 412nrt)
Koffeit. ؟!؟
KOFFIN ( كوفيت ) ON???? Iron Screw
1170grt 850nrt 3.96d
300nhp
England
Crew: 1865: 100 1868: 74
Other names: KOFFIN, KOFFEIT, KOUFFIT, COFFIN
Kouffit transfer Suez Canal 1170t declared 850 pay x4.27 861 passengers
1880 not listed
Very probably ex
NILE () ON45396 Iron Paddle
17.02.1862/11.1862 Jones, Quiggin, &Co Liverpool, #121
1157.77grt 768.58nrt 1350bm 250.2ft dk 249.5ft bp 240.0ft x34.2ft mx 33.3ft main x21.0ftx
2 cyl by G.Forrester &Co 300nhp
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Dwa parowce
Zbudowane w Anglii
drewniane najprawdopodobniej kolowe
uzbrojone w 4 dziala 25 funtowe
614 ton 245ftx27ft
260nhp=11kts
324t coal 38t@24hrs
Chendi. شندي
12Chendi() also Shandi 370t or Chindi also Scindi 859grt 613nrt 260nhp
Schandi oder Shendi (arabisch شندي Shandi, DMG Šandī, auch Shandy oder Shendy)
Assouan أسوان
Zbudowane w Anglii
drewniane najprawdopodobniej kolowe
uzbrojone w 4 dziala 25 funtowe
614 ton 245ftx27ft
260nhp=11kts
324t coal 38t@24hrs
Chendi. شندي
12Chendi() also Shandi 370t or Chindi also Scindi 859grt 613nrt 260nhp
Schandi oder Shendi (arabisch شندي Shandi, DMG Šandī, auch Shandy oder Shendy)
Assouan أسوان
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Byly tez 2 jednostki portowe, mogly sluzyc w 1882, bo byly jeszcze w 1878
Sluzyly w Arsenale w Aleksandrii
Barka. بركا or بركة 32KM
Hamidieh حميدي or حميدية 25KM
Sluzyly w Arsenale w Aleksandrii
Barka. بركا or بركة 32KM
Hamidieh حميدي or حميدية 25KM
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Flota Egipska w 1882 i wczesciej
Andrzej, podajesz super-ciekawe informacje, tylko trochę chaotycznie je podajesz. Więc zadam kilka pytań by to jakoś uporządkować.
Rozumiem, że największe okręty w 1882 to Mehmet Ali (eks Syah el Bahr) oficjalnie klasyfikowany jako fregata (na mój gust - mocno na wyrost) i korweta Sa'ika/Sakka.
Dalej idą kanonierki i tu jest chyba największy problem. Z tego co się orientuję, to powinny być trzy. Wymieniłeś Rahmaniyeh oraz Zarkh 1 i Zarkh 2, Pytanie czy Rahmaniyeh to któryś z nich. Tudzież jak się te dwie kanonierki nazywały?
Zostaje torpedowiec Aerolite (?! skądinąd sama informacja jest wyjątkowa, bo nie dość, że nikt nigdy nie przypisywał Egiptowi posiadanie torpedowca, to jeszcze jednostka miałaby być zbudowana w USA). Wiadomo o nim coś więcej? Bo na zdrowy rozsądek, skoro nie ma o nim innych wzmianek, Egipt mógł tylko firmować jego zakup a odbiorcą był ktoś inny? Nie sądzę, by istniał on w 1882 roku w składzie floty egipskiej. Ale jeśli się mylę, to gdzie znajdował się podczas brytyjskiej interwencji?
Rozumiem, że największe okręty w 1882 to Mehmet Ali (eks Syah el Bahr) oficjalnie klasyfikowany jako fregata (na mój gust - mocno na wyrost) i korweta Sa'ika/Sakka.
Dalej idą kanonierki i tu jest chyba największy problem. Z tego co się orientuję, to powinny być trzy. Wymieniłeś Rahmaniyeh oraz Zarkh 1 i Zarkh 2, Pytanie czy Rahmaniyeh to któryś z nich. Tudzież jak się te dwie kanonierki nazywały?
Zostaje torpedowiec Aerolite (?! skądinąd sama informacja jest wyjątkowa, bo nie dość, że nikt nigdy nie przypisywał Egiptowi posiadanie torpedowca, to jeszcze jednostka miałaby być zbudowana w USA). Wiadomo o nim coś więcej? Bo na zdrowy rozsądek, skoro nie ma o nim innych wzmianek, Egipt mógł tylko firmować jego zakup a odbiorcą był ktoś inny? Nie sądzę, by istniał on w 1882 roku w składzie floty egipskiej. Ale jeśli się mylę, to gdzie znajdował się podczas brytyjskiej interwencji?
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Co znaczy chaotycznie, to ze nie zrozumiales, albo nie jest tak napisane, tak jakbys chcail?Napoleon pisze: Andrzej, podajesz super-ciekawe informacje, tylko trochę chaotycznie je podajesz. Więc zadam kilka pytań by to jakoś uporządkować.
Rozumiem, że największe okręty w 1882 to Mehmet Ali (eks Syah el Bahr) oficjalnie klasyfikowany jako fregata (na mój gust - mocno na wyrost) i korweta Sa'ika/Sakka.
VOYAGEUR DE LA MER byl wyslany do Anglii, w celu przebudowy na fregate, o Twoj gust nikt sie nie pytal.
Tu flota egipska po 1880.
Due to the financial problems in Egypt 1880, the naval forces kept only 7 ships:
In Alexandrie port:
Elmahroussa- المحروسة
Muhamed Ali- محمد عل
In port-Said:
Sa'ika - الصاعقة which kept for training
In the Red sea:
Elj'efryh - الجعفرية
Tour - طور
Moukhber - مخبر
The rest of vessels were stoped,
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- Rejestracja: 2004-08-03, 01:56
Flota Egipska w 1882 i wczesciej
Nastepny problem ze zrozumieniem. Trzeba moze dokladniej poczytac, ze zrozumieniem.Napoleon pisze: Dalej idą kanonierki i tu jest chyba największy problem. Z tego co się orientuję, to powinny być trzy. Wymieniłeś Rahmaniyeh oraz Zarkh 1 i Zarkh 2, Pytanie czy Rahmaniyeh to któryś z nich. Tudzież jak się te dwie kanonierki nazywały?
Te kanonierki mlaly tylko numery, zreszta tak tez podaje "Archiv der Seewesen"
Jak mozna sie pytac czy Rahmaniyeh byl jedna z nich. Swiadczy o tym brak jakiejkolwiek refleksji.
RAHMANIEH 16KM
No.1 ex l'Eyyptienne 60KM (AdS: 33,5; Egyptian Navy Book: 60KM)
No.2 ex Kahireh 50KM (AdS: 33; Egyptian Navy Book: 52KM)
Wszytko jest , tylko trzeba przeczytac, nawet jak sie jezykow nie umie.
Takich jednostek nie podawano, ale jest rzecza oczywista, ze Egipt posiadal w 1882 tez lodzie parowe, chzociazby do komunikacjiNapoleon pisze: Zostaje torpedowiec Aerolite (?! skądinąd sama informacja jest wyjątkowa, bo nie dość, że nikt nigdy nie przypisywał Egiptowi posiadanie torpedowca, to jeszcze jednostka miałaby być zbudowana w USA). Wiadomo o nim coś więcej? Bo na zdrowy rozsądek, skoro nie ma o nim innych wzmianek, Egipt mógł tylko firmować jego zakup a odbiorcą był ktoś inny? Nie sądzę, by istniał on w 1882 roku w składzie floty egipskiej. Ale jeśli się mylę, to gdzie znajdował się podczas brytyjskiej interwencji?
Jesli np, w dokumentach brytyjskich nie ma dyslokacji floty ehipskiej w 1882, bo nie stanowilo to problemu,
to skad mialyby byc wzmianki o stalowej lodzi parowej?
