Okrety brazylijskie z czasow Buntu Marynarki Wojennej 1893-4

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Nie chcę być złośliwym Andrzej, ale pomijanie takich źródeł jest najdelikatniej mówiąc potężnym błędem.

Zaglądać warto, bo czasem można wyłapać jednostki gdzie indziej pominięte. Ale sprawdzać, sprawdzać i jeszcze raz sprawdzać. Tam też jest sporo bzdur. Przy czym akurat Weyers/Taschenbuch jest mało wiarygodny, dla okresu przed I WŚ paradoksalnie, obok Clowesa, najlepszy jest chyba... austriacki Almanach.

Popieram, nawet chcialem tak napisac, ale sledzilem te torpedowce I sie okazalo, ze z dobrym skutkiem.
To opisy, ze jest wrak, ale bez podania wspolrzednych, itd, byly dla nmie niewiarygodne.

[Napoleon]

Bzdury znaleźć można wszędzie. Ale są pozycje, których lekceważyć nie można, choć wiadomo, że pomyłki tam też mogą być.

Z torpedowcami mam względną jasność.
A coś o Santosie wiesz? Santos nie był doraźnie zmobilizowanym statkiem. Brał udział w lipcu 1893 w przechwyceniu zbuntowanego transportowca Jupiter z kontradm. Wandenkolkiem na pokładzie i razem z krążownikiem Republica eskortował później Jupitera do Rio de Janeiro (Relatorio 1894, Subsidios para a historia de revolta, s. 11). Szukam jakichś danym o nim, ale za Chiny nie mogę znaleźć.

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A coś o Santosie wiesz? Santos nie był doraźnie zmobilizowanym statkiem. Brał udział w lipcu 1893 w przechwyceniu zbuntowanego transportowca Jupiter z kontradm. Wandenkolkiem na pokładzie i razem z krążownikiem Republica eskortował później Jupitera do Rio de Janeiro (Relatorio 1894, Subsidios para a historia de revolta, s. 11). Szukam jakichś danym o nim, ale za Chiny nie mogę znaleźć.

https://www.tynebuiltships.co.uk/S-Ship ... s1891.html

Name: SANTOS
Type: Passenger Ship
Launched: 26/05/1891
Completed: 1891
Builder: R & W Hawthorn, Leslie & Co Ltd
Yard: Hebburn
Yard Number: 306
Dimensions: 1654grt, 966nrt, 275.0 x 34.7 x 11.9ft
Engines: 2 x T3cyl (18, 28 & 46 x 30ins), 273nhp
Engines by: R & W Hawthorn, Leslie & Co Ltd, Newcastle
Propulsion: 2 x Screws
Construction: Steel
Reg Number: n/a
History:
1891 Lloyd Brazileiro, Rio de Janeiro
11/1909 Broken up
Comments: 11/1909: Broken up

Shields Daily Gazette, Wednesday, 27 May 1891

Shields Daily Gazette, Wednesday, 27 May 1891.png

[Napoleon]

Dzięki. Ilustrację miałem, ale nijak nie mogłem znaleźć jakichś danych o samym statku.

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"Krazowniki" rebeliantow

JUPITER (16.1.92) Armstrong, Mitchell& Co, Newcastle (#584)
https://www.tynebuiltships.co.uk/J-Ship ... r1892.html
Newcastle Daily Chronicle, Monday, 18/01/1892

MERCURIO (28.11.91) Armstrong, Mitchell & Co, Newcastle (#583)
https://www.tynebuiltships.co.uk/M-Ship ... o1892.html

MARTE (28.12.91) Armstrong, Mitchell & Co, Newcastle (#585)
https://www.tynebuiltships.co.uk/M-Ships/marte1892.html
The Marine Engineer, Feb 1893

PARAIBA = PARAHYBA
https://www.clydeships.co.uk/view.php?y ... l=PARAHYBA
https://www.naval.com.br/ngb/P/P025/P025.htm

PEREIRA DA CUNHA ex VENUS
VENUS (15.10.91) Armstrong, Mitchell & Co, Newcastle (#582)
https://www.tynebuiltships.co.uk/V-Ships/venus1891.html
https://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pereira_d ... _auxiliar)
http://www.naviosbrasileiros.com.br/ngb/P/P063/P063.htm

URANO (9.4.92) Armstrong, Mitchell & Co, Newcastle (#586)
https://www.tynebuiltships.co.uk/U-Ships/urano1892.html

PALLAS (1891) Hawthorn, Leslie & Co. Newcastle (#309)
https://www.tynebuiltships.co.uk/P-Ship ... s1891.html

METEORO (1891) Grangemouht DY Co, Grangemouth (#143)
https://www.clydeships.co.uk/view.php?y ... el=METEORO

ESPERANCA (92) Ailsa SB Co.,Troon (#30)
https://www.clydeships.co.uk/view.php?y ... =ESPERANCA

IRIS (91) Blackwood & Gordon, Port Glasgow (#223)
https://www.clydeships.co.uk/view.php?y ... essel=IRIS

Awiza

LAGUNA (25.08.1888) Vulcan, Stettin (#185)
411grt/320nrt
Eip: 150hp/450ihp = 10 kts ©
l—§7mm QF 1—25mm H
owned by foyd Brasileiroc
wrecked 24.10.21 in Laguna rocks; crew & partially cargo saved
DLR 1926

ADOLFO DE BARROS - probably the vessel listed in LR as
ADOLPHO DE BARROS (1891) J. McArthur & Co., Paisley (# 66)
https://www.clydeships.co.uk/view.php?y ... l=ARDGOWAN
179 grt/ 93 nrt 114.5x 19.6 x 8.9
2 cyl compound 31 NHP
built as ARDGOWAN for U. K. owners
owned by Almeida, Nazareth & Co., Rio de Janeiro (in LR 1895)
not in Lloyd's Register 1900

Parowce (Vapores)

AIMORE - probably
AYMORE (1883) Armstrong Mitchell & Co., Newcastle (#458)
https://www.tynebuiltships.co.uk/A-Ship ... e1883.html

VITORIA (1882) Armstrong, Mitchell & Co, Newcastle (#448)
https://www.tynebuiltships.co.uk/V-Ship ... a1882.html

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Transportowce

ITABIRA (1888) Scott & Co., Greenock (#258)
https://www.clydeships.co.uk/view.php?y ... sel=CABRAL

ITAUNA (1883) Scott & Co., Greenock (#225)
https://www.clydeships.co.uk/view.php?y ... el=CHATHAM

ITACOLUMI (1889) T. & W. Smith, No. Shields (#94) name later corrected in LR to ITACOLOMI
https://www.tynebuiltships.co.uk/A-Ship ... e1889.html

CURITIBA w listach CORITIBA
https://www.clydeships.co.uk/view.php?y ... l=CORITIBA
https://www.naval.com.br/ngb/C/C115/C115.htm

TRAMANDAHY = TRAMANDAI (1891) Scott & Co., Greenock
https://www.clydeships.co.uk/view.php?y ... TRAMANDAHY

OCEANO (1891) Southampton Naval Works, Ltd., S'hampton (#265)
https://www.shippingandshipbuilding.uk/ ... ssel=APORE

ONDINA (1891) Scott & Co., Greenock (#294)
https://www.clydeships.co.uk/view.php?y ... sel=ONDINA

PENEDO (1891) Grangemouth Dockyard Co., G'mouth (#155)
https://www.clydeships.co.uk/view.php?y ... sel=PENEDO

UNIAO (1891) Southampton Naval Works, Ltd., s'hampton (#264)
https://www.shippingandshipbuilding.uk/ ... sel=JATOBA

INDUSTRIAL (1891) Scott & Co., Greenock (#297)
https://www.clydeships.co.uk/view.php?y ... INDUSTRIAL

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Holowniki uzbrojone (Rebocadores)

LUCI or LUCY
wyniebiana jako uzbrojona lodz parowa
https://www.naval.com.br/ngb/L/L039/L039.htm

GIL BLAS (1889) St. Joaoda, Barra (wood hull)
https://www.naval.com.br/ngb/G/G024/G024.html
---=-grt, 174 nrt 100.0 x 23.0 x 10.5
3 cyl triple 50 NHP
1—7mm, 2MG
owners: Cla Nacional de Nav. Casex Costeira, Rio de Janeiro (in LR 1895)
JAQUARAO Brazilian Government, Rio Grande do Sul (in LR 1900)

GUANABARA
1-37mm, 1MG

STANDART or STANDARD
1—87mm ER, EMG
tug owned by Wilson

VULCANO
wooden
1 QF, 1 MG
tug owned by Wilson & Sons

GLORIA

BITTENCOURT
1 MG
not extant 1886, listed 1890

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Nictheroy

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pomocnicze parowce rzadowe


SAO SALVADOR (1891) J. & G. Thomson, Glasgow (#254)
https://www.clydeships.co.uk/view.php?y ... S+SALVADOR


ITAIPU (1892) J. & G. Thompson, Glasgow (#257)
https://www.clydeships.co.uk/view.php?y ... sel=ITAIPU
https://www.naval.com.br/ngb/C/C058/C058.htm

1800t, 1306grt/692nrt; 301ft x 39ft x 10ft
owned by Compahnia Nacional de Navigacao Costeria (Lage)
acquired 21.1.97 as minelayer CARLOS GOMES
deleted 10.3.23

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Z mojich notetek sprzed 30 lat

SHIPS NOT PURCHASED OR WHICH PURCHASE IS PROBLEMATIC

ADVANCE
owned by United States and Brazil Mail S.S. Co.
purchase planned not realised

ALLIANCA
owned by United States and Brazil Mail S.S. Co.
purchase planned not realised

FINANCE
owned by United States and Brazil Mail S.S. Co.
purchase planned not realised

SEGURANGA
owned by United States and Brazil Mail S.S. Co.
purchase planned not realised

VIGILANCA
owned by United States and Brazil Mail S.S. Co.
purchase planned not realised

YARMOUTH
owned by Boston Yarmouth SS Co.
purchase planned not realised

REINDEER
owned by an US firm
purchase planned not realised

HANS
owned by an US firm
purchase planned not realised

R.C.VERT
tug
probably operated by Government forces

P.H.WISE
tug
probably operated by Government forces
https://tugboatinformation.com/tug.cfm?id=6537

RIO DE JANERIO (1893) Newport News SB (#5)
7080t, grt/nrt; 382ft 2in x 48ft x 22ft 6in
3 Exp; 4000ihp=19kts
owned by Southern Pacific Co, N.Y.
plan to acquired on stock as EL CID in 1893 not realised
sold 1898 to USN to be BIXIE; designated (AD-1) 1920
Sold Sep 1922 and BU

[AvM]

Lodzie motorowe nazywa sie motorowkami
wiec
Lodzie parowe powinno nazywax sie parowkami

Tu lodz patowa LUCI