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Przesyłam listę jednostek Bombay Navy(1613-1830), późniejszej Indian Navy(1830-1863), ponownie Bombay Navy(1863-1877) i Royal Indian Marine (1877-1948; tylko do 1930)

Wszelkie uzupełnienia/korekty mile widziane

Najpierw żaglowce (lista mocno niekompletna)
Name Type Guns Start End Note
Protector 5th Rate 44 1749 1761
Bombay 5th Rate 1793 1805
Hastings 5th Rate 32 1821 1855
Revenge 22 bef.1673 aft.1678
Mayboon bef.1673 aft.1678 Dutch prize
Bombay 6th Rate 28 bef.1756
Revenge 6th Rate 28 1755 1782
Guardian 6th Rate 28 bef.1756
Hunter 14 bef.1673
Dove bef.1678
Britannia XVIIc.
Success sloop 14 1736
Drake sloop 14 1736 1755
Swallow 16 bef.1756
Defiance sloop 1766
Panther sloop 14 1778 1802
Intrepid sloop 16 1780 1800
Morning Star sloop 22 1799
Teignmouth sloop 16 1799
Ternate sloop 16 1801 1830
Prince of Wales sloop 14 1805
Benares sloop 14 1807 1836
Aurora sloop 14 1809 1810
Malabar sloop 1810
Elphinstone sloop 18 1824 1862
Clive sloop 18 1826 1862
Fly brig-sloop 14 1793 1803
Comet brig-sloop 10 1758
Nautilus brig-sloop 14 1794 1815
Alert brig-sloop 1795
Nautilus brig-sloop 14 1806 1834
Antelope brig 14 1793 aft.1830
Swift brig bef.1801
Star brig bef.1801
Mercury brig 14 1806 1865
Ariel brig 14 1809 1820
Vestal brig 1809
Euphrates brig 10 1828
Thetis gun-brig 10 1810 aft.1836
Sylph schooner 8 1806 1808
Shannon schooner 2 1832
Constance schooner 3 1838 1877
Georgiana schooner 2 1855 1866
Emily schooner 2 1855 1862
Success ketch 14 1754
Fox ketch 1766 1772
Swallow ketch 14 1770 1776
Terrible bomb vessel XVII c.
Tiger bomb vessel bef.1756
Viper bomb vessel bef.1756
Stromboli bomb vessel 1793
Thames bomb ship 6 1814
Swallow packet ship 14 1770 1780
Investigator survey sloop 1823
Palinurus survey brig 1823 1862
Tigris survey brig 1829 1862
Tapti survey brig 1843 1851
Discovery survey vessel 1800 1828

oraz lista jednostek parowych (bardziej kompletna)

Coast Defence Ships


Name Type Start End Note
Abyssinia turret ship 1870 1903
Magdala turret ship 1870
1903 1892
1904


Frigates


Name Type Start End Note
Nemesis paddle frigate 1839 1843
Auckland paddle frigate 1840 1863
Akbar paddle frigate 1841 1859
Semiramis paddle frigate 1842 1863
Ajdaha paddle frigate 1846 1863
Feroze paddle frigate 1848 1863
Assaye paddle frigate 1854 1863
Punjab paddle frigate 1854 1863
Zenobia screw frigate 1851 aft.1863
Coromandel screw frigate 1856 1870
Tenasserim screw frigate 1872 1900


Sloops


Name Type Start End Note
Hugh Lindsay paddle sloop 1829 1859
Atalanta paddle sloop 1836 1856
Berenice paddle sloop 1836 1866
Ariadne paddle sloop 1839 1842
Zenobia paddle sloop 1839 1850
Victoria paddle sloop 1839 c.1864
Queen paddle sloop 1839 1860
Celopatra paddle sloop 1839 1847
Sesostris paddle sloop 1840 1853
Memnon paddle sloop 1841 1843
Lady Canning paddle sloop 1857 1870


Gunboats


Name Type Start End Note
Tigris paddle gunboat 1834 1835
Indus paddle gunboat 1838 1843
Medusa paddle gunboat 1839 1853
Satellite paddle gunboat 1840 1860
Nimrod paddle guunboat 1840 1859
Nitocris paddle gunboat 1840
Indus gunvessel 1851
Frere gunboat 1857
Hugh Rose screw gunboat 1860 1876
Plassy torpedo gunboat 1890 1904
Assaye torpedo gunboat 1890 1904
Lawrence sloop 1919 1946
Clive sloop 1919 1946
Cornwallis sloop 1921 1946
Elphinstone sloop 1921 1925


Steamers


Name Type Start End Note
Diana paddle vessel 1824 1826
Irrawaddy paddle vessel 1827
Jumna paddle vessel 1832
Diana paddle vessel 1836 1846
Tenasserim paddle vessel 1839 1853
Lady Falkland paddle vessel 1854 1854
Quangtung paddle vessel 1863 1891
Comet paddle vessel 1880 1890
Tigris paddle vessel 1882 1904
Lawrence
1918:Old Lawrence
1919:Canning paddle despatch vessel 1886 1922


Patrol Ships


Name Type Start End Note
PC55
1922:Baluchi patrol ship 1921 1935 PC class
Pathan patrol ship 1921 1940 PC class
Nearchus patrol vessel 1914 1922 Nearchus class



Torpedo boats


Name Type Start End Note
No1 Baluchi torpedo boat 1888 1892 No1 class
No2 Kahren torpedo boat 1888 1892 No1 class
No3 Pathan torpedo boat 1888 1892 No1 class
No4 Mahratta torpedo boat 1889 1892 No1 class
No5 Sikh torpedo boat 1889 1892 No1 class
No6 Rajput torpedo boat 1889 1892 No1 class
No7 Ghurka torpedo boat 1889 1892 No1 class


Riverine Ships


Name Type Start End Note
Meteor paddle river gunboat 1839
Planet paddle river gunboat 1840 1863
Napier paddle river gunboat 1844 1858
Jhelum paddle river gunboat 1851
Outram paddle river gunboat 1857
Sladen paddle river gunboat 1886 1921
Irrawaddy river gunboat 1887 1893


Troopships


Name Type Start End Note
Dalhousie troopship 1858 1875
Amberwitch troopship 1862 c.1890
Czarevitch troopship 1866 1895
Clive troopship 1882
Dalhousie troopship 1886
Elphinstone troopship 1887 1919
Warren Hastings troopship 1893 1897
Minto troopship 1893 1925
Mayo troopship 1896 1920
Hardinge troopship 1900 1939
Dufferin troopship 1904 1955
Northbrook troopship 1907 1924


Survey Ships


Name Type Start End Note
Investigator paddle survey vessel 1881 1906
Investigator survey vessel 1907 1934
Palinurus survey vessel 1907 1930


Various


Name Type Start End Note
Snake steam tender 1838 1863

Nie wiem jakie zrodla konsultowales

1) Rowan Hackham
Ships of the East India Company WSS 2001
Zwlaszcza Part 4. Company Warshisp and pilot vessels

2) Charles R. Low
History of the Indian Navy Vol I & II 1877 reprint 1990

3) Naval Notebook
Listy okretow parowych Indian Navy

4) Jan Suttom
Lords of The East Conway 1981

5) Anthony Farrington, Shipping and Ship Building in India, 1736-1839: A
Check List of Ship Names. 1995. NIE MAM

6) John Phipps, compiler. A Collection of Papers Relative to Ship Building
in India . . . also a Register Comprehending All the Ships . . . Built in
India to the Present Time . . . 1840.
MAM TYLKO NOTATKI

7) Anne Bulley, The Bombay Country Ships, 1790-1833. 2000.
NIE MAM

8) Busk
Zamieszcza liste floty w 1859 roku.

AvM

Statki BEIC stanowiły odrębną flotę, niż Bombay Marine (itd.). Bardzo dobra strona nt. statków handlowych BEIC (ale tylko takich, niestety) znajduje się tutaj: http://www.eicships.info/

Co do listy, to podejrzewam że Tomasz sporządził ją na podstawie przejrzenia Colledge'a... Zgadłem?

pothkan pisze:Statki BEIC stanowiły odrębną flotę, niż Bombay Marine (itd.).

Nie do konca.

Spedzilem 2 dni kiedys w India Odffic w Londynie .
I co pisza na ich stronie

http://www.bl.uk/collections/oiocfamily ... itime.html

The Bombay Marine was the fighting navy of the East India Company in Asian waters, as opposed to its mercantile marine. In 1830 the Bombay Marine was renamed the Indian Navy. The Navy was abolished in 1863, being replaced by a revived, non-combatant, Bombay Marine. In 1877 the revived Bombay Marine and the Bengal Marine were combined to form HM Indian Marine, which became the Royal Indian Marine in 1892 and the Royal Indian Navy in 1935.

W skrocie tez:
http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/NAVY/Hist ... nesis.html

Jest cos takiego


Tak w zasadzie oprocz prob w Naval Notebook nikt na powazne nie zajmowal sie tymi okretami.

AvM

2 x NEMESIS





AvM

Opierałem się na dwóch źródłach
przejrzałem Colledge'a ale także jednostki wzmiankowane u Jean Sutton Lords of the East.
Racje ma AvM co do przekształceń Bombay Marine będąca "zbrojnym ramieniem" EIC decyzją gubernatora Bombaju została przemianowana 1 maja 1830 na Indian Navy
także

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Indian_Navy

Co wiadomo natomiast o Bengal Marine, skąd ona się wziełą? Komu podlegała?

admiralcochrane pisze: Co wiadomo natomiast o Bengal Marine, skąd ona się wziełą? Komu podlegała?

Chodzi chyba o Bengal Pilot Service.

AvM

AvM pisze:

pothkan pisze:Statki BEIC stanowiły odrębną flotę, niż Bombay Marine (itd.).

The Bombay Marine was the fighting navy of the East India Company in Asian waters, as opposed to its mercantile marine. In 1830 the Bombay Marine was renamed the Indian Navy. The Navy was abolished in 1863, being replaced by a revived, non-combatant, Bombay Marine. In 1877 the revived Bombay Marine and the Bengal Marine were combined to form HM Indian Marine, which became the Royal Indian Marine in 1892 and the Royal Indian Navy in 1935.


AvM

U Sutton jak w i Twoim Poście jest mowa o Bengal Marine. To chyba coś innego, komu to podlegało gubernatorowi Bengalu? Kilka jednostek z mojej listy pochodziło z Bengal Marine - jak skończę przeglądać Sutton to podam ich listę
T.W.

AvM pisze:The Bombay Marine was the fighting navy of the East India Company in Asian waters, as opposed to its mercantile marine

No właśnie o to dokładnie mi chodziło

Co do Bombay / Bengal Marine - może to był podział terytorialny, coś jak floty cesarskich Chin (Nanyang / Beiyang) ?

http://www.britishmedals.net/collection ... smith.html

The Bengal Marine was not part of the Indian Navy, being formed under civil contract in uniform resembling that of the Indian Navy, but in effect it was a police force and not a naval one

Z Buska
http://thomo.coldie.net/naval-matters/b ... -and-asia/

British India

The Indian Navy, called the Bombay Marine until 1830 and reformed as such in 1863, was not the only naval service in India. There was also the Bengal Marine, which did not form part of the first Indian Navy formed by the British, but only the Indian Navy is mentioned by Busk.

The main shipyard was at Bombay which built ships as large as 80 guns in the past. There were minor yards elsewhere in India, and a private yard at Moulmein in Burma where timber was much cheaper than in India. Ships in India were built from mainly from teak.

I have added to the descriptions where possible. Armament of the paddle sloops and frigates was on Royal Navy lines: 8-inch 65cwt shell guns and 32-prs. When armed as a sloop, Berenice carried an unknown number of 8-inch 65cwt guns, one picture shows all nine gun ports open but only one muzzle in sight. At the other end of the scale, Indus carried one 4.5-inch 12-pr light field howitzer and one brass 3-pr mountain gun. Nearly all of these ships were built of iron or teak.

All ships not noted as steamers were sailing ships in every case I could check. Tonnage can only be displacement for Assaye, but otherwise is most likely tons burthen (builders old measurement). Berenice was big enough to carry about 900 troops during Persian campaign of 1857.

[table]
[mrow] Name [col] Guns [col] Description
[row] Acbar [col] 22 [col] Sloop
[row] Anquita [col] 6 [col] Tender
[row] Assaye [col] 10 [col] Paddle frigate, 177′ oa x 39′6″, 1800t, 650NHP
[row] Assyria [col] 2 [col] Paddle, river steamer, similar to Indus
[row] Auckland [col] 6 [col] Paddle sloop, over 900t
[row] Australian [col] 6 [col] Screw transport
[row] Beeas [col] 2 [col] Paddle
[row] Bheemah [col] 4 [col] Tender
[row] Berenice [col] 2 [col] Paddle sloop, 756t, 220NHP
[row] Charlotte [col] 2 [col]
[row] Cheenab [col] 2 [col] Paddle
[row] Clive [col] 18 [col] Sloop
[row] Constance [col] 3 [col]
[row] Conqueror [col] 2 [col] Paddle
[row] Comet [col] 5 [col] Paddle gun boat
[row] Coromandel [col] [col] Screw transport
[row] Dalhousie [col] [col] Screw transport
[row] Elphinstone [col] 18 [col] Probably a sailing sloop
[row] Emily [col] 2 [col] Schooner
[row] Euphrates [col] 10 [col] Surveying brig, formerly sloop
[row] Falkland [col] 12 [col] Sloop
[row] Ferooz [col] 10 [col] Paddle frigate
[row] Frere [col] 4 [col] Paddle
[row] Georgiana [col] 2 [col] Schooner
[row] Goolanair [col] [col] Paddle yacht
[row] Indus [col] 2 [col] Paddle, river steamer, 304t, 60NHP
[row] Lady Canning [col] 4 [col] Paddle
[row] Lady Falkland [col] 2 [col] Paddle
[row] Mahi [col] 3 [col] Schooner
[row] Marie [col] 2 [col] Tender
[row] Napier [col] 2 [col] Paddle
[row] Nerbudda [col] 2 [col] Cutter
[row] Nimrod [col] 2 [col] Paddle, river steamer, similar to Indus
[row] Outram [col] 2 [col] Paddle
[row] Planet [col] 2 [col] Paddle
[row] Pownah [col] 2 [col]
[row] Prince Arthur [col] [col] Screw transport
[row] Punjaub [col] 12 [col] Paddle frigate, as Assaye but 7′ longer
[row] Satellite [col] 2 [col] Paddle
[row] Semiramis [col] 8 [col] Paddle frigate, 1143t, 350NHP
[row] Sir H.Havelock [col] 2 [col] Paddle
[row] Sir W. Lawrence [col] 2 [col] Paddle
[row] Sydney [col] [col] Screw transport
[row] Snake [col] [col] Paddle
[row] Tigris [col] 6 [col]
[row] Victoria [col] 4 [col] Paddle
[row] Zenobia [col] 10 [col] Paddle frigate, ex-cargo, aka “the Pig Boat”
[/table]

Other large ships which may still have been afloat, although not in commission, included the paddle frigates Sesotris and Moozuffer.

The Bengal Marine had had half a dozen, probably more, iron paddle steamers in the early 1850s. The first of these was the famous Nemesis, 660 tons bm, 184′ x 29′ x 6′, 120 NHP and 8 knots, armed with 2 32-pr, 4 6-pr and a Congreve rocket launcher. Nemesis was sold in the 1850s. A squadron of Bengal Marine iron paddlers in Burma in 1852 included Nemesis, Tennasserim, Phlegeton, Mahanuddy, Prosperine & Enterprise.

Having dealt with Asia as far as possible, and neither Busk nor I know anything about China’s navy, it’s time for the Americas.

Historia Bengal Marine
http://www.barnettresearch.freeserve.co ... bengal.htm

AvM

A ja mam pytanie na marginesie: czy wiadomo coś o flocie niezależnej Birmy (Ava)? Oraz o jednostkach (statki rządowe, jachty władców, okręty?) hinduskich "native states"? Oczywiście w ramach czasowych mniej więcej 1780-1950.

Tenasserim był we flocie Bengalu już w 1848 r.
Gdzie w Idniach były stocznie budujące jednostki dla Bombay Marine (poza Anglią rzecz jasna)- znalazłem trzy :Bombaj, Carwar, Surat

Aha, jeszcze jedna informacja za Sutton- nazwa Bombay Marine pojawiła się w 1687 r. kiedy głowna siedziba Kompanii została przeniesiona z Suratu, wcześniejsza nazwa nieznana, zakładając, że była jakaś poza określeniem "the squadron"

pothkan pisze:A ja mam pytanie na marginesie: czy wiadomo coś o flocie niezależnej Birmy (Ava)? Oraz o jednostkach (statki rządowe, jachty władców, okręty?) hinduskich "native states"? Oczywiście w ramach czasowych mniej więcej 1780-1950.

Kiedyś w poście o listach mniejszych flot mowa była o kanonierce kolumbijskiej Bogota zbudowana dla radży Cutch'u.

Wiem. Ale w tamtym temacie wyszło to niejako "przy okazji" (tzn. w ramach wątku o Kolumbii). Liczyłbym na coś więcej

Bombay Marine

Name Tons Armament Complement Commissioned Rate
Cornwallis 56 1363 ? ? 1800 4th
Bombay 38 639 ? 340 1793 5th
Mornington 22 350 20-32#c, 4-18# ? 1800 sloop
Swift 20 ? ? ? 1801 ship
Drake 18 ? ? ? 1787 snow
Les Freres Unis 16 ? ? ? 1801 prize
Teignmouth 16 257 ? ? 1799 sloop
Ternate 16 257 ? 1801 sloop
Alert 14 ? ? 45 1801 sch.
Antelope 14 199 12-18#c, 2-12# 108 1793 sloop
Aurora 14 247 ? ? 1809 sloop
Benares 14 230 ? ? 1807 sloop
Cornwallis 14 ? ? ? 1787 snow
Fly 14 176 ? 75 1793 brig
Mercury 14 185 ? ? 1806 sloop
Nautilus 14 185 12-18#c, 2-12# 100 1806 brig
Panther 14 181 ? ? 1778 snow
Prince of Wales 248 ? ? 1805 sloop
Princess Augusta 14 ? ? ? 1768 grab
Princess Royal 14 ? ? ? 1768 grab
Queen 14 ? ? ? 1768 ketch
Rodney 14 ? ? ? ? ketch
Viper 14 ? ? 65 1768 snow
Ariel 10 160 10-12#c 83 1809 brig
Comet 10 115 ? ? 1798 brig
Intrepid 10 ? 10-6# 80 1780 snow
Psyche 10 180 ? ? 1810 brig
Thetis 10 185 ? ? 1810 brig
Vestal 10 159 ? ? 1809 brig
Alert 8 85 ? ? 1795 brig
Lively 8 ? 8-12#c 40 1806 sch.
Sylph 8 78 ? ? 1806 sch
Zephyr 8 ? ? ? 1811 sch.
Mosquito 7 ? 7-12#c ? 1807 pat.
Bhowany 6 ? 6-12#c ? 1811 pat.
Fury 6 ? ? ? 1809 ?
Vigilant 6 ? 6-2# 50 1797 ?
Deria Dowlut 4 ? 2-12#, 2-2# 33 1793 pat.
Thames 2 102 2-18#, 1-13” mor. ? 1814 bomb
Stromboli - 68 1-13” mor. ? 1793 bomb
Wasp ? ? ? ? 1804 sch.
Assaye ? ? ? ? 1801 prize
Star ? ? ? ? ? brig
Dolphin ? ? ? ? 1797 gb
Scorpion ? ? ? ? 1793 brig
Dart ? ? ? ? 1811 gb

Bombay Marine operations were chiefly against native pirates, so they were small with shallow draughts. Pattamars and grabs were native-built craft employed by the Marine. Sloops were ship-rigged, not the one-mast jobs employed in Colonial America. Gb stands for gunboat, while sch stands for schooner.

Lista wg Barry Fox

AvM

PLUTO iron paddle
1839 Ditchburn & Mare, Deptford
472bm 287grt 176nrt 145.0x25.2x9.3x5'5" dr.
100 nhp
9.10.39 registered Ditchburn & Mare, London
1-32pdr on circles 4-6pdr brass guns
Crew: 68
from 1845 Bengal Marine
1851 rebuilt
stationed in Arracan
1863 still listed

Honourable Company's Steamer " Pluto."

The " Pluto" was sent from England direct to China; remained with the Chinese expedition from October 1841 to January 1843, when she came to Calcutta; and in April 1843 proceeded to Bombay, and was there employed along with the " Nemesis," chiefly in effecting the passage of troops to and from Kurrachee. In May 1845 she was ordered to China to relieve the " Medusa," and remained in Her Majesty's service there till March 1849, on the 3d of which month she came to Calcutta to be repaired, and in March 1851 left to proceed to the Straits, and resume her place with the vessels of Her Majesty's service, under the orders of the naval Commander-in-chief, China Seas.


Tylko czy to ten sam co
PLUTO iron paddle
launched 12.9.1843 Lower Old Bombay Dock