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"Tianji" - tak sobie chinczycy go wybrazaja

jest nawet jako model do kupienia

I jeszcze jeden planik TSAO CHIANG
wg s.p.mistrza Dean Stehmana

Wg chinskich stron , jest to ten parowiec na zdjeciu. ale on byl raczej bocznokolowy,.

Ship: Junhe gunboat, an old merchant ship purchased by Shanghai Jiangnan Manufacturing Bureau with more than 20 years of age, reassembled the power system and changed it to use as a troop carrier. It was completed in 1882. The ship is 45 meters long and 7.49 meters wide, with an output of 80 horsepower and a displacement of 354 tons. It is equipped with nine artillery pieces.

I jeszcze jeden model

"Hui Ji" (formerly known as "Tian Ji") naval gunboat

It was built by Jiangnan Manufacturing Bureau in the seventh year of Tongzhi in the Qing Dynasty (1868), with a length of 59.2 meters, a width of 8.7 meters, a draft of 2.56 meters, a displacement of 600 tons, a speed of 9 knots, and a ratio of 1:75

AvM pisze: ↑2022-02-15, 00:39 Mala zagadka, co tpo za okret`?

London and China Telegraph - Wednesday 27 November 1867

STEAM VESSELS SOLD TO OR REPORTEDLY SOLD TO JAPAN UP TO 1370
by T.M. Milne
THE BELGIAN SHIPLOVER N° 103
Janvier/Fevrier 1965


8. AUGUSTA (U.S.)
Built in Shanghai in 1867- Traded Between China and Japan. Offered for sale
in Yokohama 1868. In 1869 she was chartered by the. Japanese Navy for
operations against Enomoto. Towards the end of I869 she was bought by her agents
in Japan, Walsh, Hall & Co. an* was probably sol* by them to the Tosa-Han in
1870, renamed MOMIJIGA, and used by Iwasaki prior to the formation of the Mitsubishi Yubin.
She was probably lost about 1875

日本郵船船舶 100年史
Nihon Yusen senpaku 100-nenshi
木津重俊 · 1984

AvM pisze: ↑2022-02-20, 21:10 Wg chinskich stron , jest to ten parowiec na zdjeciu. ale on byl raczej bocznokolowy,.

Jednak sie pomylilwem, sprawdzilem swoje notatki
PLUTO byl zelaztnym srubowcem

chyba nie wszystkie okrety zbudowane w stoczni Kiangnan , mialy od poczatku chinskich dowodcow

Overland China Mail - Tuesday 19 April 1870

We hear that Captain Law, late Harbour Master at Nin, has been appointed to intimand the Chinese Gunboat No. 3, in inattosion to Capt. Pendleton.

chyba nie wszystkie okrety zbudowane w stoczni Kiangnan , mialy od poczatku chinskich dowodcow

Tu trzeba być, moim zdaniem, ostrożnym. W zachodnich relacjach często pojawia się informacja, że takim czy innym okrętem chińskim dowodził Europejczyk czy Amerykanin, tymczasem najczęściej był on tylko "doradcą", dowództwo zaś spoczywało w rękach Chińczyka. Relacja pomiędzy nimi mogły być różne, ale formalnie dowodził Chińczyk, który, zdarzało się, w źródłach zachodnich był niekiedy nawet pomijany. Przyjęło się później twierdzić iż dany człowiek Zachodu dowodził chińskim okrętem, a często tak nie było.
Choć z drugiej strony we wczesnym okresie (lata 60. a nawet początek 70.) tak mogło być.

Overland China Mail - Thursday 27 May 1869

We hear that the Command of the new Chinese Gunboat recently Lunched from the Kauchang Arsenal is to be given to Captain Cooper, a gentleman well known to most Shanghai residenta as an experienced navigator recently m command of the S. S. N. Co.'s Str. Shansee, and formerly of the steamers Pembroke, Hongque and several others; against this selection we believe, few, will have a word to say.

North China Herald 1870
podaje ze dowodcka No.2 byl niejaki Brown

Wracajac do fregat.
Poczatkowo (w 1870) bylo planowane ich uzbrojenie dzialami produkcji Arsenalu na licencji Woolwich.
24 x 48 funtowe gwintowane
2 x 10 calowe gwintowane

Ale juz w 1872 po wodowaniu,
czasopisma podawaly ze pierwsza fregata bedzie uzbrojona w dziala Kruppa


W 1873 przed wodowaniem drugiej fragaty MCH pisze , ze dzala Krupa
dla beterii obu okretow sa oczekiwane z Europy.

Znalazlem nastepne potwierdzenie ze Arsenal Kiangnan zbudowal mala poglebiarke o 12 KM

Wiecej dodam

London and China Telegraph - Monday 27 June 1870

successful launch of a steam dredger has been effected from the Kiang-nan Arsenal. We understand she is intended to do duty on the Grand Canal.

Overland China Mail - Thursday 28 April 1870

(Express) A most successful launch of a steam dredger was effected at 1.15 e.m., of Saturday, from the Kiang-nan ArsenaL We understand she is intended to do duty on the Grand CanaL

Ciagle zagadka sa male kaononierki zelazne zbudowane w Kiangnan

Overland China Mail - Saturday 06 July 1872

Besides these, there are in course of ooustruetion two iron steamers, 60 feet lung by 12 feet beam and 4 ft. 9 in. de[4l3 of bold. These were laid down by the express orders of the late Viosroy Tseng-kwo-fan, who intended to use them as despatch boats between Soochow and Nankin. They are to be fitted with twin screws; the two points to be aimed at being great speed and light draft. Each to carry 18 pounder rifled gun. Since the Viceroy's death these are not being pushed on a rapidly.

Noth China Herald 21 Sep 1872

Under the head of news from Shanghai, we find a curious description by Dr. Martin of the twin-screw steam launches lately built at the Arsenal. It reads as follows :—
“There avealsobeenmade:two small ironshipssixchang long and two chang wide, drawing water above four feet:. Both ends have a screw propeller. It ia-just
as thoiigh'they were two bows ; thus saving thie trouble of rowing. and tnrning round, and.enabling theIaunch to go ahead or astern -at pleasure” &e., de.

Handlowiec Friedrich Pfeil (1841-1880) mial wg umowy z 30.05.1870 dziesiacioletni kontrakt wylaczny na sprzedaz dzial Kruppa w Chinach

Tu jego ogloszenie z North China Herald z 1872